Wolverine and the X Men issue 10 review: Medium weight spoilers

**ronedog22** · 05-11-2012, 07:51 AM

All I know is peeps be crazy in AvX and the wolverine cyc divide is only getting bigger. Wheres Prof X to slap both upside the head and retake charge?

**Ebon Phantom** · 05-11-2012, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by philly

The Phoenix can't be controlled, Jean knew that, that's why she choose to die in the Phoenix saga and judging by Hope's actions so far, she does not seem like she's in the right frame of mind to control this thing. As for Scott, when he attacked Cap first, he risked all those children on that island. When he refused to talk rationally the second time with Cap to stop the fighting, he proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he had no regard of the consequence of what he was doing. His single minded, belief that the Phoenix will be there salvation despite the fact that he knows how destructive that power can be proves that, not to mention the fact that their is proof of this force destroying everything in its path. Scott is going by what Cable told him about the Avengers but other than try to think rationally, he knowingly instigates a fight with them to prove a point. it does not matter whether if they came for Hope, Scott made a bad sisturation worse and guarantees them to try to take Hope by force. I love this rational by people that Logan is a traitor but he's been going on a fear that has been proven and he's only trying to do stop a potential disaster and Hope knows that, that's why he made that pact with Logan. While Logan's method is extreme, its more sane that Scott's risk the planet for salvation of the mutant race and Hope for the best scenario. Only a out of control fanatic would think that's a variable option to any problem.

Right, because it's not at all like Jean soon came back and dealt with the Phoenix Force with little problem afterward. And it's not at all like Rachel also handled the Phoenix Force.

No, Scott attacking Cap didn't put any of them at risk. They were safety away from the fighting. Cap bring in an army and jets is what put them at risk. Past history with the Phoenix Force shows that there's no different consequential risk being played here then there would be anyway. The fact that he knows not only that the Phoenix can be controlled, but that Hope has already control parts of it's power multiple times before now says it all. No, Scott's actions weren't what made them come to take Hope by force. They were already there to take her by force. Both Emma and cap himself stated that he wasn't asking for Scott's permission. Thus the reason Scott attacked. And Logan's fear hasn't been proven. Rachel outright proves that wrong. And as I mentioned, it's less sane. If the Phoenix truly intends to wipe out the earth, then killing Hope or throwing her into space isn't gonna stop it from burning the Earth to ash. They're all making the same risk. The only difference is that the X-men plan has far more evidence to suggest it's viable then the other two plans.

Originally Posted by Mundungus

I thought Quire hitting on Magik was great. He totally would.

I think it's kind of weak storytelling that the staff is going to support Cyclops, but no hard feelings when it's all said and done. I mean, I'm glad they're supporting Cyclops, but assuming Wolverine & The X-Men continues relatively the same post-AvX, I don't see how Rachel and Iceman can just walk right back into the school like they didn't just aid and abet Cyclops, who is pretty much a terrorist in the Avengers' eyes.

It's more about them all wanting the restoration of their species then supporting one guy over the other. In addition, Hope's a child in need of protection, which is what their school was founded for. Logan can't exactly tell them off when he was attempting to murder her.

As for them being "terrorist" in the eyes of the Avengers, it's not like Cap's supporters in Civil War had any real problems working alongside Iron Man's side afterward.

**Brandon McKinnis** · 05-11-2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by sweetdumbass

It's not like Logan can spare any staff member. Besides Iceman would probably sue his ass if he fired them.

I doubt the X-Men are part of any teachers union.

**Jackraow21** · 05-11-2012, 09:37 AM

I thought Logan's position was...interesting, for lack of a better word, in this issue. He believes that the Avengers are just trying to sequester Hope and not hurt her, and thus that his side should side with them to protect her. However, he does kind of fail to mention that his strategy was to kill her before the Phoenix could maker her its host...so I'm not really sure what's going on inside his head at the moment. It's obvious that he doesn't want to allow the Phoenix to take Hope as its host, though, by any means necessary.

Rachel's comments about knowing that the Phoenix can be controlled were interesting, and you'd think that of all the X-men Logan would have a little more faith in his fellow muties. Just seems like Wolverine's characterization is all over the place right now and I'm not sure I like it. I find myself wanting Cable to make it his number one priority to go and kick Logan's ass when he comes out of his coma, just to knock some sense into the guy. Which is a shame because Wolverine has always been a favorite of mine. Hopefully Aaron makes good on his word and there's more to come regarding Hope and Wolverine's relationship.

Jason Aaron (re: AvsX #2): This is also our first little glimpse of the relationship between Hope and Wolverine. This is their first encounter in "AvX" and he's coming in presumably to kill her, but she burns him all to hell. This is only the end of the first beat of what will become a very interesting relationship as "AvX" unfolds. We'll really see that play out in issue #4, which is Jonathan Hickman's issue. So don't assume you know where everything is going in terms of Wolverine and Hope's relationship.

From: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=38378

**Mikl C** · 05-11-2012, 10:09 AM

This issue was amazing. Best part of AVX easily.

!!

**yanapryde** · 05-11-2012, 10:30 AM

Jarrod is in massive denial about his "goldies" helping Scott.
Iceman even says, flat out, "Scott needs me".
Its not about COLOR.

**Dr. Sonic** · 05-11-2012, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Mikl C

This issue was amazing. Best part of AVX easily.

I could have used about twenty more panels of Illyana and Quire interacting.

**AcesX1X** · 05-11-2012, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by yanapryde

Jarrod is in massive denial about his "goldies" helping Scott.
Iceman even says, flat out, "Scott needs me".
Its not about COLOR.

yes. anything to save face on the forum.

**MartinRedmond** · 05-11-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by yanapryde

Jarrod is in massive denial about his "goldies" helping Scott.
Iceman even says, flat out, "Scott needs me".
Its not about COLOR.

Scott NEEDS me, THE RAPTURE is coming.

**Majinoaw** · 05-11-2012, 12:48 PM

What's sad is that you all continue to support the X-Men and know that they're in the wrong. Clearly Cyclops is corrupt and would destroy the lives of millions to save his race. And it's also shameful that Gambit gets cheers in this day and age. His time was over in the 90s... he's not even on UMVC3 for pete's sake.

**Starleafgirl** · 05-11-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Majinoaw

What's sad is that you all continue to support the X-Men and know that they're in the wrong. Clearly Cyclops is corrupt and would destroy the lives of millions to save his race. And it's also shameful that Gambit gets cheers in this day and age. His time was over in the 90s... he's not even on UMVC3 for pete's sake.

Not all X-Men believe the same as Cyclops, you know. Some are just trying to protect their people from extinction or, on a smaller level, trying to keep the kids of the Jean Grey school from getting in harm's way.

**Slant** · 05-11-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Majinoaw

What's sad is that you all continue to support the X-Men and know that they're in the wrong. Clearly Cyclops is corrupt and would destroy the lives of millions to save his race. And it's also shameful that Gambit gets cheers in this day and age. His time was over in the 90s... he's not even on UMVC3 for pete's sake.

As usual, you make no sense. If 'his race' is saved then what millions are getting destroyed? If Phoenix destroys everything then everyone is gone, including mutants.

**Brandon McKinnis** · 05-11-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Slant

As usual, you make no sense. If 'his race' is saved then what millions are getting destroyed? If Phoenix destroys everything then everyone is gone, including mutants.

Maybe when Cyclops says "no more Avengers", millions of people they could have saved will die.

**Slant** · 05-11-2012, 01:22 PM

One of their sainted "Big 3" is combating the Phoenix by throwing his damn hammer at it and helping it destroy planets. The other is a racist starting fights with mutants who have been on edge for years due to M-day.