Wolverine and the X Men issue 10 review: Medium weight spoilers

[Lady_Alternate]

Enough Cyclops/Avengers/Wolverine talk! WAX threads are for talking about Kitty Pryde, Rachel Howlett, Professor Lockheed, Iceman, Trollbeast, Husk, <3Warbird<3, Toad, Doop, staff cameos (Chamber!), Special Class 2.0, (ugh) NXM, Krakoa, Bamfs, villians (excluding Cyclops) and notable guest stars (Emma Grey, Fake Devil, etc) only.

I am hoping, so hard, that Warbird kills the fuck out of the Death Commandos after they taunt her for being a "nanny".

[philly]

Maye if Cap had not invaded Utopia with a whole helicarrier and the avengers plus some jets, and ordered Scott to hand over Hope, Scott would have been more reasonable. We will never know, but the burden of responsability here is not in Scott's shoulder. Same goes for the heinous act of sending a psycho to watch over a bunch of children, some of what have been hurt because they were "monsters". There is no justification for that. Absolutely none, no matter how you put it.

Let me repeat myself, I'm not defending Cap (That's a whole other subject in itself) at all but yes, the burden of responsibility does fall on Scott because he could have prevented this by using his head other than be a fanatic. He knows the sisturation and with that knowledge, he should know that instigating a fight with the people who could prevent Hope from saving the world is a very bad idea. Instead, he instigated a fight knowing full well that the Avengers were all there to prove a point to the world, with out the sense of knowing that he would only make matters worse for the whole Mutant population and for Hope herself. So tell me, who is the real psycho, Logan, who was proven right by Scott over being unreasonable or Scott, who is playing a game of chicken with the lives of not only Hope but the entire human race over his fanaticism?

[Dr. Sonic]

I am hoping, so hard, that Warbird kills the fuck out of the Death Commandos after they taunt her for being a "nanny".

From your keyboard to god's ear. Unfortunately, from the looks of the preview pages, it seems that Warbird hotfoots it off planet with Kid G in tow, leaving Wolverine to face the commandos on his own. Although it's Rachel who really should have a bone to pick with the death commandos - they killed her entire extended family back in 'The End of Greys.'

[Leirus]

Let me repeat myself, I'm not defending Cap (That's a whole other subject in itself) at all but yes, the burden of responsibility does fall on Scott because he could have prevented this by using his head other than be a fanatic. He knows the sisturation and with that knowledge, he should know that instigating a fight with the people who could prevent Hope from saving the world is a very bad idea. Instead, he instigated a fight knowing full well that the Avengers were all there to prove a point to the world, with out the sense of knowing that he would only make matters worse for the whole Mutant population and for Hope herself. So tell me, who is the real psycho, Logan, who was proven right by Scott over being unreasonable or Scott, who is playing a game of chicken with the lives of not only Hope but the entire human race over his fanaticism?

Inciting a fight? Sorry, it was Cyclops who landed an Army of mutants in the garden of the White House? What Fanaticism? He does know Hope is the host of the Phoenix and he does know that her birth reignited the mutant population. Cap on the other hand just does not trust the Phoenix in the hand of a group of mutats. Hell, he just spoke with Rachel, a former Phoenix Host who controled it just fine!. So you will have to explain me why Scott is a fanatic. Here the only ones going to battle without enough knowledge are the Avengers. And some of their fans, if I may be so bold to add.

[philly]

Inciting a fight? Sorry, it was Cyclops who landed an Army of mutants in the garden of the White House? What Fanaticism? He does know Hope is the host of the Phoenix and he does know that her birth reignited the mutant population. Cap on the other hand just does not trust the Phoenix in the hand of a group of mutats. Hell, he just spoke with Rachel, a former Phoenix Host who controled it just fine!. So you will have to explain me why Scott is a fanatic. Here the only ones going to battle without enough knowledge are the Avengers. And some of their fans, if I may be so bold to add.

Who landed the first blow? Who wanted this fight to happen to prove a point to the world? Who was being unreasonable? if you don't think that was fanatical, then i don't know what will. And one more time, I'm not defending Cap and the Avengers at all. just pointing out Scott's mindset.


Got to go, thank you for sharing your views with me and i hope you enjoy the rest of the day

[Leirus]

Who landed the first blow? Who wanted this fight to happen to prove a point to the world? Who was being unreasonable? if you don't think that was fanatical, then i don't know what will.


Got to go, thank you for sharing your views with me and i hope you enjoy the rest of the day

Lol, sure I will, thanks. Look, I do know we are not going to see eye to eye on this, but for me, from the moment the Captain admited he was not there to discuss, but to take Hope away regardless of what Scott opined, there was nothing left to say. So even if Scott landed the first punch (optic beam, whatever) it was the Captain who created a situation which could no end in any other way. Even Carol Danvers, who should know, told him what would happen. The reasonable thing to do would have been sending Carol to talk with him, or try to negotiate with Storm, who is also an Avenger and in the same team Scott is. They knew they were in a situation where a mistake could literally end the world, and yet they took the bluntest action they could. Good day to you too...

[jarrod]

Enough! Time to get this thread back on track:

[Lady_Alternate]

looks of the preview pages, it seems that Warbird hotfoots it off planet

Direct me to this, post haste!

[Dr. Sonic]

Direct me to this, post haste!

by your command: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=38518

[Lady_Alternate]

Merci beaucoup, mon petit cheri.

[ExodusCloak]

Enough! Time to get this thread back on track:

You cut out the best part of that scene. You got yourself a redhead.

[jarrod]

You cut out the best part of that scene. You got yourself a redhead.

It's DN@N's crop. :(

Every bit of Emma/Kitty (with a dash of Rachel) was great. Them plus Illyana were easily the issue highlights.

[insidemyhead]

This might have been my favorite issue of WatXM so far. I much prefer chattiness to wackiness.

[ExodusCloak]

It's DN@N's crop. :(

Every bit of Emma/Kitty (with a dash of Rachel) was great. Them plus Illyana were easily the issue highlights.

I liked the pony reference too. R.I.P. ButterRum.

"Where do you keep the unicorns?"

[okpanic]

I truly do not see how everyone is making Wolverine out to be the bad guy here when he's one of the only ones that is actually thinking RATIONALLY. Cyclops is risking the lives on untold BILLIONS...based on the off-chance that they MIGHT be able to control this cosmic entity...who at times has proven to be extremely dangerous & unstable. Sure, Rachel did control the Phoenix Force at one time...but who's to say that the reason why she could was because it fit into the Phoenix's plans? This is a sentient being with a mind of it's own. It's consciously destroying planets on the way to Earth. It's not a hurricane. It could go AROUND the planets if it wanted to. It's NOT going around the planets...that MEANS something. The Phoenix has also proven to also be susceptible to control and to fits of rage. Are people forgetting the Dark Phoenix saga and the countless other times where Jean begged the X-men to kill her because she couldn't control the Phoenix?

Now what's funny is, the X-men thought that the Scarlet Witch was too dangerous to be left alive...but somehow if Hope were in the same position it's different? And Wolverine's the one who's the hypocrite? Not at all...he's the only one who's thinking straight. Out of control Scarlet Witch? Let's take her out before she destroys reality as we know it. Out of control Hope? Let's take her out before she destroys reality as we know it. See...no hypocrisy there. Now I'm not saying that he didn't jump the gun a little bit as far as trying to take Hope out in AVX #2, but from his position, she did look to be losing control. Let's not pretend like Wolverine would have tried to kill Hope if he came into that room and she was just sitting there twiddling her thumbs with the rest of the students. That doesn't even sound right.

And Cyclops wasn't there to talk to Wolverine. He was there to win more X-Men over to his side. Like Wolverine said, Cyclops knew that Wolverine wasn't going to change his mind. He was counting on the telepathic eavesdropppers to be sympathetic to the mutant cause. Cyclops is playing a very dangerous game. Wolverine is right to fear the Phoenix force AND where Cyclops' head is at. This isn't about X-men Vs Avengers. It seems like people on the forums are backing Cyclops because they are anti-Avengers. AT BEST, Cyclops can say, "Well, we can control the Phoenix SOMETIMES". That's not a very strong position. I understand why Iceman and Rachel are siding with Cyclops...but Wolverine is right to think that Cyclops is gambling with the lives of billions of people. And the Avengers are right...at least when it comes down to how they should be handling the Phoenix.

Cap was there to take Hope but there was an option of talking, which Scott did not want to do. Scott instigated the problem and made matters worse, risking every mutant and person on the planet for a hope of a rebirth of the mutant race, despite evidence to the contrary so far with this force destroying planets in its path. As for this so called teen, she's going to be probably the most powerful person around once the Phoenix comes for her. If she can't control it, she would be most dangerous person around and she herself understood Logan's fear to make a pact with him to kill her if she goes too far, which judging by her behavior so far, could be a real possibility. Wolverine is going by extreme measures but Scott is fanatical to the point of risking everyone on the planet.

What i find adorable is the fact that certain people can't tell the difference between what Logan is doing by using the flimsy argument that " He's about to kill a teenager and he's a hypocrite" with out the sense that this teenager is already turning on her own teammates and this phoenix force is not even here yet. But the same people are willing to accept Scott's fanatical views and root for him, despite the fact that he instigated this fight for his own gain with out considering the ramifications of what that will do to the mutant population and to Hope herself. Scott has put them all at risk and is willing to let the world burn for his fanatic views in a hope that it will be a mutant rebirth despite proof so far to the contrary.

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Sucks to see some of the WatXM cast pulled over to Scott's fanatical cuckoo crazy side in this event, but at least the rationale was done well enough. (Still, disappointed in you Icemangs.)