X-Men Legacy #266 (SAM, IT'S OK): Review and Spoilers.

[sweetdumbass]

Moon Knight sucks

Finally we can agree on something.

[coveredinbees]

He's good at being Moon Knight.

[bbrx807]

Quote Originally Posted by Movieartman View Post
and really kicking and blasting the crap out of her is really the best way to train her to control a cosmic entity great F$$king plan Cyclops. if they really wanted to prepare her for the firebird they would have emma train her mentaly and streanthen her mind to be able to resist the Pheniox's control and be able to bend it to her own will, physicaly training her anit to the point of abuse isnt gonna do shit but make her made
time to go pick up your copy of this week's new avengers.

lol............

[Dante1105]

The more I read these comics the more I want to see Hope Fry the Avengers alive.

Funny how Captain America goes from one side to another at the drop of a hat. His actions right now make him no better then Osborn.

[Dante1105]

Don't be perverse. The Avengers were there to manipulate and control the X-men while their friends were trying to beat the shit out of the X-men's friends. Frenzy was in the right.

Agreed. How anyone can think the Avengers are in the right is beyond me. They think just because they are the Avengers they can do whatever they want and just claim they are doing it to save lives. In reality they don't give a damn about the mutants and were just hoping they could engage them. Who the hell is She-Hulk to call anyone a Monster after the things her and Moon Knight have done in the past.

[mikekerrIII]

Good enough to be part of a rogue peace keeping task force but not take care of a child?

Avengers standards are low.

The current nanny has beaten Fing Fan foom and Thanos solo and terrifies Doom. Echo was simply outclassed

[mikekerrIII]

Hey! Let's not exaggerate, it doesn't prove any points. Frenzy went out there to provoke them. She drew a line in the sand. Falcon said whatever and walked away with She-hulk. Crazy guy hung around to give a batman lecture.

Moon Knight: "I know who you are, Johanna Cargill. You've got a sheet as long as my arm. Terrorism, Murder, and you've never answered for any of it.

Frenzy: Why do you think I'm here? But let's talk about you, Marc Spector.

Moon Knight: That supposed to rattle me? I produce a TV show about myself. My life is prime-time entertainment.

Frenzy: Not all of it. I was a mercenary too, Spector. I heard the stuff a google-search doesn't turn up.

(cont) The wetwork, the torture. You deserve a cell right next to mine. But that isn't why the other operators talked about you...why you scared stone cold killers. Your powers, the moon, but they've got nothing to do with it, do they?

(cont) Someone should tell your avengers buddies you were a lunatic before you put on the suit. That you doubled down on the crazy... because you liked it.

(Moon Knight loses it and starts to choke Frenzy.)

I can't deny that Crazy guy is crazy, but you can't deny that the entire point of Frenzy marching up to the quinnjet was to pick a fight. Falcon didn't want to play, so she used Moon Knight.

Falcon and She-hulk left the lunatic unsupervised.

Was anything she said untrue?

[Ian Pressman]

Falcon and She-hulk left the lunatic unsupervised.

Was anything she said untrue?

What does that have to do with Frenzy picking a fight? She picked a fight. She did it for specist reasons because she hates human beings. Because she picked a fight, kids got hurt. Follow the chain of events.

A. Wolverine told them his school was staying out of it.

B. A bunch of his staff jump ship and sign up with Cyclops.

C. Three Avengers show up to keep an eye on things. Just three, hardly an invasion force. They have every right to do so, no more Utopia murkiness, this is flat-out American soil, they're deputized peacekeepers making sure an enemy fighting force isn't getting recruits. They are very accommodating, they do as instructed and hang back and watch. That's it. That's all they would have done. Falcon and She Hulk did not even want to be there.

D. Frenzy's dialogue following this: "Unbelievable, we stayed out of the fight but they want to put chains on us anyway. And you all just sat there and took it, typical. What are we supposed to be teaching those kids? How to roll over for humans?" (Not what happened at all, but Johanna isn't exactly a rational person).
See how she automatically goes for the specist comments? With Frenzy it isn't about being told what to do, it's being told what to do by humans. Even if those humans are co-operating with you and being reasonable.

E. Frenzy picks a fight. Stirred by her example, a group of kids go charging in and two of them are injured.

Anytime a terrorist/racial supremacist is being painted as in the right in a situation such as this, that's when a reasonable human being needs to take a step back and say: "lol wut?"

[mikekerrIII]

What does that have to do with Frenzy picking a fight? She picked a fight. She did it for specist reasons because she hates human beings. Because she picked a fight, kids got hurt. Follow the chain of events.

A. Wolverine told them his school was staying out of it.

B. A bunch of his staff jump ship and sign up with Cyclops.

C. Three Avengers show up to keep an eye on things. Just three, hardly an invasion force. They have every right to do so, no more Utopia murkiness, this is flat-out American soil, they're deputized peacekeepers making sure an enemy fighting force isn't getting recruits. They are very accommodating, they do as instructed and hang back and watch. That's it. That's all they would have done. Falcon and She Hulk did not even want to be there.

D. Frenzy's dialogue following this: "Unbelievable, we stayed out of the fight but they want to put chains on us anyway. And you all just sat there and took it, typical. What are we supposed to be teaching those kids? How to roll over for humans?" (Not what happened at all, but Johanna isn't exactly a rational person).
See how she automatically goes for the specist comments? With Frenzy it isn't about being told what to do, it's being told what to do by humans. Even if those humans are co-operating with you and being reasonable.

E. Frenzy picks a fight. Stirred by her example, a group of kids go charging in and two of them are injured.

Anytime a terrorist/racial supremacist is being painted as in the right in a situation such as this, that's when a reasonable human being needs to take a step back and say: "lol wut?"

By that same logic Cap picked a fight on Utopia by starting with things he was told would cause violence, you can't have it both ways. I thought the Avengers line was that the guy who started the violence was in the wrong? Frenzy just stated a few facts and he attacked

Frenzy pushed his buttons and the nut-case reacted as was predictable. If the Avengers did not want a fight why send a nut-case?

Spector is a psychotic war-whore (my apologies to prostitutes) who is a danger to everyone and even tortures people even while an Avenger. Making him look in the wrong is simply speaking the truth about him.

[Ian Pressman]

By that same logic Cap picked a fight on Utopia by starting with things he was told would cause violence, you can't have it both ways. I thought the Avengers line was that the guy who started the violence was in the wrong? Frenzy just stated a few facts and he attacked

Frenzy pushed his buttons and the nut-case reacted as was predictable. If the Avengers did not want a fight why send a nut-case?

Spector is a psychotic war-whore (my apologies to prostitutes) who is a danger to everyone and even tortures people even while an Avenger. Making him look in the wrong is simply speaking the truth about him.

Who's having it both ways? I've been very upfront about Moon Knight being a nut. He had a bad attitude from the start and He and Frenzy dragged both parties into a fight that no one else wanted. However, it's a reach comparing a patriot like Cap to a terrorist like frenzy. He didn't approach the opposition with the intention of provoking a fight, but Frenzy did. That is a very distinct difference. The entire matter was settled. Frenzy didn't have the authority to speak for the school, it was over. Then she shows up and engages in an argument with a nutjob. If you know someone is crazy, and Frenzy claimed that she knew how nuts Moon Knight was, then what purpose could she possibly have to provoke him other than to start the fight? Fast forward to a melee and two injured kids.

[Dr. Sonic]

I think an important factor to keep in mind here is the matter that simply coming to the school is an aggressive act on the part of the Avengers. The minute you set up guards around a school, it immediately stops being a school and becomes an internment camp. The Avengers don't need to be there, but feel it is their duty based in this bloated sense of entitlement that they know what's best.
Frenzy is a nut and a murderer and I don't know how it is that simply being with the X-Men makes her exempt from legal prostitution, but if we put that matter to the side, the fact that she provoked Moon Knight into attacking her is immaterial - The Avengers being there at all was the initial act of provocation.
Although, truth be told, it isn't Moon Knights fault. The blame lies squarely on Captain America who, in his great tactical wisdom, sent a schizophrenic dressed up like a klansman to guard a school.

[Mikl C]

Frenzy is a nut and a murderer and I don't know how it is that simply being with the X-Men makes her exempt from legal prostitution

ahahahah!~~~~~

[the Dagman]

Posting any Avengers at the JGS just in case anyone might join Cyclops' team is like posting police cars outside of every mosque just in case any of their Muslim congregation decides to go join al-Queda. It might make sense to some right wingers, but the blatant violation of everyone's civil rights is undeniable to everyone else. The Avengers have taken children from Utopia into custody and placed them in internment camps in Avengers Academy and by placing super-powered guards at the Jean Grey School. They have placed the entire mutant race into lockdown when they have done nothing wrong. It is the Avengers armed with their misinformation and strong arm tactics who has invaded Utopia, a sovereign nation, as well as illegally detaining an entire school campus. They are the criminals here, using their fear of the Phoenix as justification for their illegal and immoral actions.

[okpanic]

One question: Did Christos Gage use Bendis's Moon Knight/one-man Avenger version? For example (to those who don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about), did he break out into acting like Spider-Man or Captain America (or any other characters he's not) at any point?

I passed on this arc because I didn't know which rendition of Moon Knight would be used. If he's normal acting (well, as normal as MK can be) I might reconsider. Oh, and does he have a decent amount of face-time in this?

You'll wish it was Bendis' Moon Knight used, because this one is leagues dumber.

[AdvanceBushido]

This was pretty good!

Frenzy stole the show here. While all the X-Men are trying to contain themselves not to get into a fight with She-Hulk, Falcon and Moon Knight (who are big douchebags, by the way), she takes matters into her own hands.

The X-Men have a meeting where Rachel and Iceman say they'll go with Cyclops. The rest decides to stay and keep the school safe. Before leaving, Iceman tells Rogue she shouldn't sit this fight out, which we all agree.

The Avengers arrive. Kitty tells them they aren't welcome inside the school so they agree to stay outside of it, watching with binoculars. Frenzy goes all the way to where they are and says she'll be watching them as well ("I only teach gym. I'm done for the day" lol). Then she starts taking shots at Moon Knight until he loses his temp and attacks her, CROSSING THE DIVISED LINE. The students see all this through the window and try to help Frenzy (Glob, Hellion and Match). She-Hulk thinks she's being attacked by a monster (Glob lit by Match) and claps her hands, hurting the three of them. Hellion BLEEDS. Rogue then goes ballistic and attacks She-Hulk and Moon Knight. Iron Man appears in the end to help his buddies out.

Rogue spends the issue being conflicted about the whole thing, asking Gambit what he thinks she should do. Seriously, enough with that. She's Rogue! Not that long ago, she'd be doing exactly what Frenzy is doing. So it was great to see her letting go of her "maturity" or whatever we call it at the end.

But yeah, thumbs up for Frenzy.

The thing that got me soooo upset was the fact the Avengers thought they could try and stop reinforncments. Frenzy was awesome and she didn't even start the confrontation with Moon Knight he thought he knew her but she knew him!!! I started out pro X-men after this... Avengers are officially bad guys.