Movie Spider-Man v. The Avengers

[Kusanagi]

Tony's suit feats are shock-absorbing. It's like stuff hits him and he bounces, with no internal damage to Tony or major damage to the suit. But when it comes to actually pulling components of the suit off/apart....

We have no feats either way, and even then Spidey's going to have seconds at best before he's going airborne. Webbing might hold him longer, but Doc Ock and Norman tore through his webbing without too much effort so I wouldn't bet on it holding him long.

[KJ Stewart]

I just can't see Spidey taking out the Iron Man suit before Tony fills the arena with AOE attacks.

Aside from the tank shell feat mentioned by sharkerbob, there's also the feat where he got caught under the helicarrier's blades as he restarted the engine. Despite being dragged under a few times he came out dinged up, but physically okay.

Spidey's got to finish him in the initial barrage, cause otherwise Tony's going airborne and then it's death from above. I just don't think he's got the power for that.

I can't even believe it's being discussed that Spider-Man might be able to beat Iron Man.

Spider-Man can't hit anywhere near as hard as Thor. He can't hit as hard as Whiplash's mark 2 armour and nor can he hit as hard as Iron Monger.

Tony flies upwards. He then flies towards Spider-Man at the kind of speeds that saw him out-race jet fighters and move a frickin' propeller fast enough to keep the damn hellicarrier afloat. While flying towards him at those speeds, he launches an AoE attack - the kind that spread in several directions to take out several Chitauri - and kills him.

Or, he flies up, and stays there. He then launches a homing device that flies towards Spidey. If Spidey dodges it, the explosion will still kill him.

Spider-Man can't hurt Iron Man (Iron Man has survived hits from Thor and falls from great heights). He can't fly. And Iron Man can hurt Spider-Man.

A web is gonna do squat to a laser that burns through it like butter. Not that a web will ever hit him when Khazan rules state that they start 100 feet apart.

Seriously, all the feats point to Iron Man. He destroys Spidey.

[Arachnid]

We have no feats either way, and even then Spidey's going to have seconds at best before he's going airborne. Webbing might hold him longer, but Doc Ock and Norman tore through his webbing without too much effort so I wouldn't bet on it holding him long.

Cant Pete just web his way up to him? I also see Thor and Hulk having a hard time landing attacks on Spidey never mind Tony. Plus, Pete could just keep him blinded by webbing up his helmet. I don't see Iron Man taking Peter.

[Kusanagi]

I'd post in detail but KJ basically nailed it when it comes to Iron Man.

On Thor lightning barrage. If Spidey can take what Thor was dishing out to hold the line at the portal, I must have missed a movie.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I'm thinking that the most interesting fight would be against Loki. He's not as fast or agile as Spidey but he can take plenty of what Spidey can dish out and it would be intersting to see how his illusions work against Spider-man's spider-sense.

[FalconX2000]

Cant Pete just web his way up to him? I also see Thor and Hulk having a hard time landing attacks on Spidey never mind Tony. Plus, Pete could just keep him blinded by webbing up his helmet. I don't see Iron Man taking Peter.

With his arsenal and highly advanced targeting equipment, Tony is going to have a far easier time landing hits on Spidey than Hulk, and the only reason why Thor will have an easier time is because he can create a giant tornado to turn Spider-Man into a slow floating target.

[abmccray]

I can't even believe it's being discussed that Spider-Man might be able to beat Iron Man.

Spider-Man can't hit anywhere near as hard as Thor. He can't hit as hard as Whiplash's mark 2 armour and nor can he hit as hard as Iron Monger.

Tony flies upwards. He then flies towards Spider-Man at the kind of speeds that saw him out-race jet fighters and move a frickin' propeller fast enough to keep the damn hellicarrier afloat. While flying towards him at those speeds, he launches an AoE attack - the kind that spread in several directions to take out several Chitauri - and kills him.

Or, he flies up, and stays there. He then launches a homing device that flies towards Spidey. If Spidey dodges it, the explosion will still kill him.

Spider-Man can't hurt Iron Man (Iron Man has survived hits from Thor and falls from great heights). He can't fly. And Iron Man can hurt Spider-Man.

A web is gonna do squat to a laser that burns through it like butter. Not that a web will ever hit him when Khazan rules state that they start 100 feet apart.

Seriously, all the feats point to Iron Man. He destroys Spidey.

How is Tony doing that when he's like a statue to Spider-man at the bell? He's activating sly upward at human speed when Spider-man is...just...sitting there waiting for this to happen instead of web + pull + rip with the strength to hold up tons worth of people?

At the bell, Spider-man can actually cross most if not all of the distance before Tony thinks "fly up." Much less just pull him to him. Movie Spider-man is still a really fast bullet timer. The speed in which he perceived Flash Thompson's motion, or where his spider sense worked in the school puts him far beyond anything Tony showed.

[KJ Stewart]

How is Tony doing that when he's like a statue to Spider-man at the bell? He's activating sly upward at human speed when Spider-man is...just...sitting there waiting for this to happen instead of web + pull + rip with the strength to hold up tons worth of people?

At the bell, Spider-man can actually cross most if not all of the distance before Tony thinks "fly up." Much less just pull him to him. Movie Spider-man is still a really fast bullet timer. The speed in which he perceived Flash Thompson's motion, or where his spider sense worked in the school puts him far beyond anything Tony showed.

OK, I'll humour you...

Show me a Movie Spider-Man travel speed feat that indicates he could travel 100 feet (and immobilise Tony, nonetheless) before he thinks once.

A key factor here being that at no point in the movies did Spider-Man's webs travel at anything like the speed required to stop him. And they have to fire after Spidey has apparently travelled 100 foot before Tony thinks.

[Vic Vega]

I'm thinking that the most interesting fight would be against Loki. He's not as fast or agile as Spidey but he can take plenty of what Spidey can dish out and it would be intersting to see how his illusions work against Spider-man's spider-sense.

Does Movie Spidey have superior strength feats (other than the train thing I dont remember any)than Movie Cap(who was tough enough to give Loki some trouble hand to hand, but not hurt him any)?

Spidey isnt getting caught by the pig sticker of destiny, and if he's strong enough to hold a train he probably hurt Loki when he hits him.

[KJ Stewart]

Does Movie Spidey have superior strength feats (other than the train thing I dont remember any)than Movie Cap(who was tough enough to give Loki some trouble hand to hand, but not hurt him any)?

Spidey isnt getting caught by the pig sticker of destiny, and if he's strong enough to hold a train he probably hurt Loki when he hits him.

Do we really say he was strong enough to hold a train? This gets thrown about a lot, but is that really what happened?

He tried to stop the train with his body and all it did was keep moving at full speed and push him along the ground (while hurting his leg quite badly, since he held on to it afterwards and let out a few shrieks of agony).

In order to stop the train, he had to fire no less than 12 lots of webbing (that's how many "firing" noises you hear as he shoots them), which significantly supplemented his strength.

Don't get me wrong, he had to be pretty strong to keep hold of them and he did fucking well to use them as aids to stop the train, but it's more impressive a durability feat than it is a strength feat i.e. the fact his body didn't tear in 2 means he's pretty damn durable.

So yeah, great strength, but given the vast amount of webbing backing him up, he alone isn't "stop-a-train-strong".

[Surtur]

Does Movie Spidey have superior strength feats (other than the train thing I dont remember any)than Movie Cap(who was tough enough to give Loki some trouble hand to hand, but not hurt him any)?

Spidey isnt getting caught by the pig sticker of destiny, and if he's strong enough to hold a train he probably hurt Loki when he hits him.

Spiderman is definitely way stronger then Cap.

[big_adventure]

Do we really say he was strong enough to hold a train? This gets thrown about a lot, but is that really what happened?

He tried to stop the train with his body and all it did was keep moving at full speed and push him along the ground (while hurting his leg quite badly, since he held on to it afterwards and let out a few shrieks of agony).

In order to stop the train, he had to fire no less than 12 lots of webbing (that's how many "firing" noises you hear as he shoots them), which significantly supplemented his strength.

Don't get me wrong, he had to be pretty strong to keep hold of them and he did fucking well to use them as aids to stop the train, but it's more impressive a durability feat than it is a strength feat i.e. the fact his body didn't tear in 2 means he's pretty damn durable.

So yeah, great strength, but given the vast amount of webbing backing him up, he alone isn't "stop-a-train-strong".

He also lifted up what appeared to be half of manhattan (OK, just a pretty good-sized building) to stop it from crushing MJ in SM2. I seem to recall that it looked like a class 40/50-ish feat.

[Sharkerbob]

He also lifted up what appeared to be half of manhattan (OK, just a pretty good-sized building) to stop it from crushing MJ in SM2. I seem to recall that it looked like a class 40/50-ish feat.

That was a partially destroyed wall.

[abmccray]

OK, I'll humour you...

Show me a Movie Spider-Man travel speed feat that indicates he could travel 100 feet (and immobilise Tony, nonetheless) before he thinks once.

A key factor here being that at no point in the movies did Spider-Man's webs travel at anything like the speed required to stop him. And they have to fire after Spidey has apparently travelled 100 foot before Tony thinks.

Movie Spider-man's web is stupid fast and organic (so it's not limited by mechanical button presses). He can shoot + pull before Tony can think. "Crossing the distance" was just showing how much faster movie Spider-man is than Tony in reaction (he has jumped up 10-20 feet in the films, so three jumps forward before Tony flies up?). But that's pretty much irrelevant since he can just web + pull before Tony can react.

For web speed, depending on sequence, his shots to buildings to latch on to while swinging, which are oftentimes much farther (height + distance) than 100 feet are near instant. I wouldn't say bullet speed, but still quicker than someone can go see + think + activate since it would be happening instantly at the bell. Bell rings, Tony is hit by web and pulled to Spider-man nearly immediately.

[abmccray]

Does Movie Spidey have superior strength feats (other than the train thing I dont remember any)than Movie Cap(who was tough enough to give Loki some trouble hand to hand, but not hurt him any)?

Spidey isnt getting caught by the pig sticker of destiny, and if he's strong enough to hold a train he probably hurt Loki when he hits him.

Spider-man held a tram car full of people up with one arm. That's holding up around 20tons or so with an arm (which isn't the same as lifting, either). Cap is nowhere near in his league.