Bale Batman v. Movie Black Widow

[Dr Will Hatch]

Baleman got his ass kicked by dogs

With the old, cumbersome armor. And I wouldn't call it getting his ass kicked. With the new armor, he bitch slapped them.

[Deadman25]

With the old, cumbersome armor. And I wouldn't call it getting his ass kicked. With the new armor, he bitch slapped them.

I still say he got owned there.

[Dr Will Hatch]

Well, yeah. I guess it did look embarrassing for Batman. He was still only a year into crimefighting though, so I give him a break. I just hope that TDKR shows Baleman closer to the comic book incarnation.

[Indigo Al]

Alright then, let's change things up. Now the fight takes place in a factory not unlike the one where Batman first faced the Scarecrow in Begins That means he has more advantages in terms of ninja tricks. How does Black Widow do?

[Vakanai]

Alright then, let's change things up. Now the fight takes place in a factory not unlike the one where Batman first faced the Scarecrow in Begins That means he has more advantages in terms of ninja tricks. How does Black Widow do?

Still wins?
Bale's Batman just doesn't have a lot of fighting feats. He's a bad match for most of these sorts of things.
Though I will say in the Begins factory or some place like that place with all the giant metal boxes (I'm from the country alright, whatever that place was isn't the type of place I go to) also from Begins helps him a bit here. Dude can disappear and move about in those sorts of areas in a surprising fashion. Being able to go all ninja in a place like that helps compensate for his disadvantage in speed. He still most likely loses, but he wins a few more than in a straight Khazan match.

[Lord Bravery]

Bale Batman has horrible fighting feats, which pisses me off to no end. These are supposed to be Batman movies, and the fight scenes seem like an after thought. Hopefully it's improved for the final film.

That said, Black Widow kicks his ass.

[FrenchGemini]

Against Bane, who is seen using such moves as a Superman punch, BatBale should use some more moves. Also, according to leaks, his fighting style this time around is faster and closer to good ol' boxing (guess Bale picked some moves on the Fighter set), plus the Keysi guys have been replaced by Buster Reeves for the choregraphy, so there is hope.

Back on topic, yeah, what they said. In a straight fight BatBale loses against Natasha. However, in a fight where he can use stealth, depends. Giving them their weapons means Natasha gets explosive stickied on her. Without them, it means BatBale has an opening to punch her, and I don't see Widow being able to do much once she gets punched once by him, and from there it's lights out in a few seconds.

[Hazard]

Bale Batman has horrible fighting feats, which pisses me off to no end. These are supposed to be Batman movies, and the fight scenes seem like an after thought. Hopefully it's improved for the final film.

Too true. They were just painful to watch for me.

[Jonathan8572]

Batman. Sure Widow is faster, but not to the point that Bruce wont be able to land the one or two blows he needs to take her out.

[big_adventure]

Batman. Sure Widow is faster, but not to the point that Bruce wont be able to land the one or two blows he needs to take her out.

Why would you think that he only needs "one or two blows" to take out Widow? And where is he going to get that kind of time? Especially when HER single blows repeatedly take down some awfully large, body-armored and at least assumably trained targets.

Baleman never really takes down anyone outside of "mook" level except for R'as, and he does that by tricking him and using his environment, not by "taking him out" in an arena-style match. I don't see any trains in Khazan.

[Kusanagi]

Bale Batman seemed to have a very functional fighting style that would probably work in the real world, even if it isn't that interesting on camera. Widow however has studied crazy movie martial arts to the point where she's just shy of superhuman. In a straight fight I think she takes it rather comfortably.

Giving batman the chance for stealth certainly makes the fight longer, but I can't really see it changing the outcome.

[abmccray]

Too true. They were just painful to watch for me.

I disagree with that. He fought completely functionally and straight to the point (which was established in the first movie when he WAS trying to do flourish moves against Ra's). The scenes basically matched exactly what was supposed to be going on.

Even the dog thing is missing the point; the entire point of using dogs is that martial arts don't work on dogs like humans and you pretty much have to go into "raise arm so they can latch on, counter" mode, which is exactly what Bruce did. And the only way the Joker got any hits on him was by using dogs (figurative or literal) against him and then stepping in for a quick hit while his defenses were down from dealing with them. That's ignoring that the Joker was good enough to precision kill someone instantly and overpower any standard police who went against him.

[abmccray]

To be fair, Bale Bruce DID build an improved version of Lucius' cell phone sonar concept. And as for the anti-toxins in "Begins", wasn't Bruce still pretending to be an idiot playboy? I mean, Lucius knew that Bruce was doing something with his equipment, but he didn't know what.

And it's also very early in Batman's career. Even in Year One, Bruce had problems that later on make him look amateurish.

Yeah, the two movies were Batman Year One and Year Two, of which he was pretty much comics equal.

[Hazard]

I disagree with that. He fought completely functionally and straight to the point (which was established in the first movie when he WAS trying to do flourish moves against Ra's). The scenes basically matched exactly what was supposed to be going on.

Even the dog thing is missing the point; the entire point of using dogs is that martial arts don't work on dogs like humans and you pretty much have to go into "raise arm so they can latch on, counter" mode, which is exactly what Bruce did. And the only way the Joker got any hits on him was by using dogs (figurative or literal) against him and then stepping in for a quick hit while his defenses were down from dealing with them. That's ignoring that the Joker was good enough to precision kill someone instantly and overpower any standard police who went against him.

The style wasn't really my problem.

It was the speed.

He was slow.

Oh so slow.

For me it was like someone had turned slow motion to the movie (okay maybe a little exaggeration, but I can recall my thoughts every time I saw Batman fight being, 'why the hell is Batman moving so slowly?')

[Deadman25]

Bale Batman has horrible fighting feats, which pisses me off to no end. These are supposed to be Batman movies, and the fight scenes seem like an after thought. Hopefully it's improved for the final film.

That said, Black Widow kicks his ass.

his only decent fighting feats where his training in Batman Begins.