Figuring out the new Multiverse

[Mr. Holmes]

Just please God, tell me that skinny blue runt is strictly an alternate universe Captain Atom, and will never be used as the Prime Earth one.

I'm not God, but...yes that's the Earth-4 one.

[Reginleif]

The way Morrison is setting it up, the Charlton heroes on Earth-4 are being updated in a way where they partially resemble their Watchmen counterparts. Case in point, Captain Atom:

doesn't Alan Moore hate Morrisson? so why is Morrisson doing this? is he spitting in his face?

[AdamYJ]

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Sorry to hear that, but I can never consume too much superhero.

I hear what you're saying, though. Seems like there will be pretty much unlimited opportunities for all genres in this new Multiversity. I'm sure you'll end up getting lots of choices, hopefully.

Well, I've just been getting that "All these superhero books look alike" vibe lately. Of course, the kinds of superhero books I tend to like frequently get cancelled. I'd like to say I'm excited for Multiversity, but I can't. The problem is that, though I have been leaning more to the "big ideas" side of comics lately, I just can't seem to dig Morrison's work. I think it may be his writing style.

[Comet Man]

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Well, I've just been getting that "All these superhero books look alike" vibe lately. Of course, the kinds of superhero books I tend to like frequently get cancelled. I'd like to say I'm excited for Multiversity, but I can't. The problem is that, though I have been leaning more to the "big ideas" side of comics lately, I just can't seem to dig Morrison's work. I think it may be his writing style.

My favorite ones get cancelled too, but I'm still finding lots of diversity in the new DCU, and I'm enjoying them all. Matter of fact, the new DCU is the multiversity I was talking about. In this new universe, there are infinite possibilities I think. I think DC is trying, it's not their fault people don't like the different stuff. I just picked up Dial H today. Man, if you want different superhero stuff, that's it.

And I am with you when it comes to Morrison. I just dropped Action. I just couldn't get into it.

[AdamYJ]

My favorite ones get cancelled too, but I'm still finding lots of diversity in the new DCU, and I'm enjoying them all. Matter of fact, the new DCU is the multiversity I was talking about. In this new universe, there are infinite possibilities I think. I think DC is trying, it's not their fault people don't like the different stuff. I just picked up Dial H today. Man, if you want different superhero stuff, that's it.

And I am with you when it comes to Morrison. I just dropped Action. I just couldn't get into it.

Actually, the thing is that I'm a fan of light superhero fare. I prefer to see the sillier, more tongue-in-cheek, more over-the-top side of superheroics. The last time I fell out of the superhero comics fandom, it was Peter David's Young Justice that pulled me back in. From what I see in the DCU right now, we've got a really good "dark" line and a rather well-developed line (or two) of standard, straight-up superhero books. The only book, to my knowledge, that's making any attempt at comedy is actually Johns' Justice League (which is strange when you consider how the JLI title is being played straight). I would have loved Dial H if it were played like the original Dial H for Hero. I love the old Silver Age Robby Reed stories. It seems like it would be a great choice for a lighter, more family-friendly book that still takes place within the DCU. The Dial H I looked at was just too weird, though. It seems to me that "different" usually just means "dark" or "weird" these days. The only other choice most people would suggest is the Johnny DC books, which I tried reading but couldn't get into.

The book I really miss is OMAC. OMAC wasn't necessarily a light book, but all the concepts in that book were played so over-the-top that it was hard to take it seriously in a conventional way.

[carabas]

doesn't Alan Moore hate Morrisson?

Not really. At most there's creative differences and conflicting styles of magic between them.

Morrrison/Millar, that's the bloodfeud.

[Mulett]

The issue I have with the names is that, in old money (pre-1985), the heroes used to refer to each other's worlds as 'Earth-1' and 'Earth-2'. I don't see how they can do that now. How would the main DCU Earth get the name 'Earth Prime' and then Kara/Helena's world end up being called 'Earth-2'? I think these will end up just being the names we (the readers) call these Earths and the heroes won't necessarily give them names.

I do wonder, also, if we do have a proper multiverse again (rather than that daft '52' Earths thing). 52 Earths isn't a multiverse in my book!

[MajorHoy]

The issue I have with the names is that, in old money (pre-1985), the heroes used to refer to each other's worlds as 'Earth-1' and 'Earth-2'. I don't see how they can do that now. How would the main DCU Earth get the name 'Earth Prime' and then Kara/Helena's world end up being called 'Earth-2'? I think these will end up just being the names we (the readers) call these Earths and the heroes won't necessarily give them names.

I do wonder, also, if we do have a proper multiverse again (rather than that daft '52' Earths thing). 52 Earths isn't a multiverse in my book!

How is having 52 different Earths not a "Multiverse"?!?

"Multi-" means

Definition of MULTI-

1 a: many : multiple : much <multivalent>
b: more than two <multilateral>
c: more than one <multiparous> <multibillion>

2 : many times over <multimillionaire>

(from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multi-)

There's nothing in that word that specifies unlimited or infinite.

[Mulett]

I wasn't talking about the dictionary definition, MajorJoy. I was talking about what the multiverse is to me, as someone who grew up in the 70s/80s with the whole 'infinite earths' multiverse. 52 is limited.

[MajorHoy]

I wasn't talking about the dictionary definition, MajorJoy. I was talking about what the multiverse is to me, as someone who grew up in the 70s/80s with the whole 'infinite earths' multiverse. 52 is limited.

We've only seen two, maybe three, of the Earths so far in the DCnU world . . . having nearly fifty other, not-yet-defined Earths is "limited"?

Having an unlimited number of Earths could just as easily lead to a silliness of even more confusing, rarely (if ever) used Earths . . . I'd wait until at least forty of the Earths have been clearly defined and outlined in the DCnU before I'd even begin to think it's "limited". (Or are you the type of person who felt there should have been at least twenty possible answers to every question on a multiple choice test?)

[Reginleif]

Not really. At most there's creative differences and conflicting styles of magic between them.

Morrrison/Millar, that's the bloodfeud.

why do those two not like each other? Just for the record, this is the Millar who hates Muslims or the one who did Kick Ass?

[CagedLeo730]

why do those two not like each other? Just for the record, this is the Millar who hates Muslims or the one who did Kick Ass?

Millar, British, Kickass
Miller, American, Holy Terror

[Reginleif]

Millar, British, Kickass
Miller, American, Holy Terror

there names are almost too similar, they may in fact be one in the same. I imagine one is just a miss print.

[4thHorseman]

why do those two not like each other? Just for the record, this is the Millar who hates Muslims or the one who did Kick Ass?

I don't know if it's actually been stated what happened between the two. Morrison was pretty much Mark Millar's mentor and helped him get into comics, and at some point I guess Mark wanted to break away from Morrison and make a name for himself. How he went about doing this may be the thing that caused the problem with Morrison.

I think that's what happened. Thought Morrison mentioned it in an interview, but never directly stated the exact reason for the fall out.

[carabas]

why do those two not like each other?

Morrison isn't telling, but from the uncharacteristic venom in his words when asked in interviews about his former protege, it's bastard-slept-with-my-wife levels of animosity.

there names are almost too similar, they may in fact be one in the same. I imagine one is just a miss print.

They're not even pronounced the same. Millar rhymes with bazaar.