Movie Avengers v. Movie Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants

[big_adventure]

He can just push down all metals they have.

Tony is rendered totally useless, Mjolnir is stuck on the ground (if you accept that it's a metal) unless Thor manages to overpower Magneto.

It coming from another planet really shouldn't matter unless it's shown that stuff from that planet works completely different from the Earth equivalents. And Asgard wasn't that different from Earth.

Personally, I'd tend to say "It looks like it's made of metal, it was forged, it acts like a metal hammer - albeit one with mystical powers - so it's made of metal".
Just my opinion though, I wouldn't make a ruling out of it.

The thing is, the enchantment clearly makes the class 100-ish Hulk-who-one-shots-gigantic-multi-hundred/thousand-ton-flying-chitauri-monsters into a helpless ragdoll as it drags him off his feet, through the air and along the ground. I don't see Magneto getting a pass on somehow diverting it's path when nothing else in the films ever does. It's also going to be coming in REALLY fast. Even if Movie Erik CAN divert it, he's going to need more time than he has here to do so.

Whats to stop Magneto from Crushing Stark into a ball before Stark even makes a move ? to be honest I say mags has better speed feats compared to Iron man. Like he stopped the bullet before hitting the officer's head. good bullet timing.

The feat of him stopping the bullet before it hits the cop's head isn't all that impressive, since it's Mags who fires it to being with, making it nowhere near "confirmed" CBPH, much less bullet-time. Thor is at least CBPH, more likely "ringer" level (doing the deflection swings with the hammer, dodging the wing of the plane Hulk throws at him when it's a couple of feet from his head, casually dodging high-speed attacks from Hulk and IM, spinning his hammer too fast to be seen with perfect control, and using that effect to land perfect attacks and also to whip up a giant-killing jet of ice). Thor's hammer takes off Mag's head at the bell, and then the fight is effectively over.

[Arachnid]

I don't think movie Sabretooth and movie Victor Creed are the same person. They look nothing alike, talk nothing alike, and never is X-1 Sabretooth referred to as Victor Creed, nor Origins Creed ever called Sabretooth. As far as I'm concerned they're two different dudes.

That sounds kind of unlikely. I always just assumed Sabretooth's mutation went into a second stage or something. After all, Victor was refereed to as Sabretooth in origins. There's also the interest he had in Logans Weapon X dog tags that strongly implied he was the same person. Besides the fact that they don't look the same, there's not much reason to assume they're not the same person. After all, Rhodes from Iron Man 2 is still the same Rhodes from Iron Man 1.

[KJ Stewart]

That sounds kind of unlikely. I always just assumed Sabretooth's mutation went into a second stage or something. After all, Victor was refereed to as Sabretooth in origins. There's also the interest he had in Logans Weapon X dog tags that strongly implied he was the same person. Besides the fact that they don't look the same, there's not much reason to assume they're not the same person. After all, Rhodes from Iron Man 2 is still the same Rhodes from Iron Man 1.

I think the same.

Same way that Hank at the start of First Class is the same guy as Beast at the end of First Class.

[Lord Bravery]

I think the same.

Same way that Hank at the start of First Class is the same guy as Beast at the end of First Class.

I agree with the Sabertooth/Creed thing. But it can't be the case for Beast. We see him in news footage in X2 as normal Hank McCoy. I think a lot of stuff in First Class was just purposeful continuity errors because they wanted to tell the story their way. Some things linked up to the other X films, some things didn't.

[KJ Stewart]

I agree with the Sabertooth/Creed thing. But it can't be the case for Beast. We see him in news footage in X2 as normal Hank McCoy. I think a lot of stuff in First Class was just purposeful continuity errors because they wanted to tell the story their way. Some things linked up to the other X films, some things didn't.

I didn't mention X2.

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

Mags opens up by lifting his hands. Ironman is crushed too death. Thor's hammer is stopped in mid-air if he throws it. Or Thor attempting to spin his hammer would be negated enough to prevent the lighting or after effects. Thor's best chance is to just fly right at the opposing team holding his hammer. However, I see Thor getting stop in mid-air. Remember, Thor was wearing some kind of vest armor...the design is right out of Ultimate Marvel.

Thor basically gets immobilizes in mid-air along with his hammer, and proceeds to struggle against Magneto. This is a struggle he'll eventually win though. Mags team can't help him beat Thro in anyway. Once Thor, who has less stamina issues than Magneto breaks free, he just beats the mutants to death with his hands.

Magneto can't stop him. At best Thor might lose to ten count by getting wrapped up or something. But again, Thor can just struggle with raw power against mags.

[KJ Stewart]

Mags opens up by lifting his hands. Ironman is crushed too death. Thor's hammer is stopped in mid-air if he throws it. Or Thor attempting to spin his hammer would be negated enough to prevent the lighting or after effects. Thor's best chance is to just fly right at the opposing team holding his hammer. However, I see Thor getting stop in mid-air. Remember, Thor was wearing some kind of vest armor...the design is right out of Ultimate Marvel.

Thor basically gets immobilizes in mid-air along with his hammer, and proceeds to struggle against Magneto. This is a struggle he'll eventually win though. Mags team can't help him beat Thro in anyway. Once Thor, who has less stamina issues than Magneto breaks free, he just beats the mutants to death with his hands.

Magneto can't stop him. At best Thor might lose to ten count by getting wrapped up or something. But again, Thor can just struggle with raw power against mags.

Or, as already mentioned a few times, Thor uses basic common sense to just call lightning down to kill Magneto immediately.

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

and what if Mags points the hammer at Thor's head while's he's doing that....

[Twickster]

Or, as already mentioned a few times, Thor uses basic common sense to just call lightning down to kill Magneto immediately.

Or even the fact that I'm really not sold on movie Magneto having the pull to stop Thor's hammer in any way, for the following reasons:

1. An enchantment strong enough Hulk "can one-shot giant bioships" cannot lift.
2. Made of incredibly advanced superscience, which does not guarantee it being magnetic at all. (noted in Siriel's own link, only 3 metals in the entire metallic spectrum qualifying as "magnetic enough"). And I'm rather sure Thor's hammer, whatever it's made of, is not one of those metals.
3. Magneto never, ever stopping anything that fast going with that much force in the direction of his head.

[Vic Vega]

Do characters in the arena know the capabilities of thier opponents?

If so, then what's to stop Iron Man from Chest beaming Magneto to death at the opening bell?

If Movie Mags can't stop energy attacks, then its just really a quickdraw between him and Iron Man. isn't it?

Iron Man is pretty up there as far as quickdraw goes, so he might have a chance.

As for Thor, it looks like Magneto's power would have to beat both the "unliftable by the unworthy" enchantment AND "the return to Thor no matter what enchantment" for him to do anything with it at all.

[Surtur]

That sounds kind of unlikely. I always just assumed Sabretooth's mutation went into a second stage or something. After all, Victor was refereed to as Sabretooth in origins. There's also the interest he had in Logans Weapon X dog tags that strongly implied he was the same person. Besides the fact that they don't look the same, there's not much reason to assume they're not the same person. After all, Rhodes from Iron Man 2 is still the same Rhodes from Iron Man 1.

I really think they just took a few plot points from the X-Men movies and used them in Origins, thus explaining the dog tags. Sabretooth wasn't the same person..nor was there any mention of him and Wolverine being brothers. Sure, Logan would of forgotten, but Victor wouldn't of. Then there's the fact that in X1 he barely talks at all, which isn't really like the version we saw in Origins. It's hard to believe the Victor we saw in Origins would not make a single comment to Wolverine in whatever scenes they had together in X1. Either by making a comment about them being brothers, or perhaps calling him Jimmy, or really anything other then total silence. I also don't think we ever once saw any mutant have a secondary mutation in any of the films. The only one was Beast, but that didn't occur naturally. So we have no reason to assume secondary mutations that naturally occur are even possible in the X-Men movie-verse(unless I'm forgetting a character who showed one).

Basically, I think it's best to just assume X1-X3 were in the same universe. Then Origins and First Class were each in a separate universe. Well, we saw Wolverine in First Class..so I guess it's possible First Class and Origins share a universe. Given that First Class definitely isn't in the same universe as X1-X3, I really don't find it that unlikely that Origins wouldn't be either.

They are definitely two different characters where rumbles is concerned.

[Deadman25]

The feat of him stopping the bullet before it hits the cop's head isn't all that impressive, since it's Mags who fires it to being with, making it nowhere near "confirmed" CBPH, much less bullet-time. Thor is at least CBPH, more likely "ringer" level (doing the deflection swings with the hammer, dodging the wing of the plane Hulk throws at him when it's a couple of feet from his head, casually dodging high-speed attacks from Hulk and IM, spinning his hammer too fast to be seen with perfect control, and using that effect to land perfect attacks and also to whip up a giant-killing jet of ice). Thor's hammer takes off Mag's head at the bell, and then the fight is effectively over.

as Mentioned, Magneto can make a move on stark before Stark even raises his arms to aim and fire. Iron man can be Magnetos weapons towards Thor and shove it at him full force. Multitask.

[Arachnid]

I really think they just took a few plot points from the X-Men movies and used them in Origins, thus explaining the dog tags. Sabretooth wasn't the same person..nor was there any mention of him and Wolverine being brothers. Sure, Logan would of forgotten, but Victor wouldn't of. Then there's the fact that in X1 he barely talks at all, which isn't really like the version we saw in Origins. It's hard to believe the Victor we saw in Origins would not make a single comment to Wolverine in whatever scenes they had together in X1. I also don't think we ever once saw any mutant have a secondary mutation in any of the films. The only one was Beast, but that didn't occur naturally.

Basically, I think it's best to just assume X1-X3 were in the same universe. Then Origins and First Class were each in a separate universe. Well, we saw Wolverine in First Class..so I guess it's possible First Class and Origins share a universe.

I just chalk that up to continuity error due to the movies having different directors. When Wolverine is played by the same character in all those movies, and Origins and First Class are advertised a prequels to the first trilogy, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to assume they're all in different universes. And for the whole Sabretooth thing, maybe they'll explain it later in the series. I just made up a story in my head that he mutated further kind of like beast and ended up more animalistic or something with vague memories of the past. I really wish that whole 'brother' thing wasn't introduced.

[Surtur]

When Wolverine is played by the same character in all those movies, and Origins and First Class are advertised a prequels to the first trilogy, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to assume they're all in different universes.

I really don't see how it doesn't make sense, given First Class definitely isn't in the same universe as the other films. Otherwise Emma Frost is some kind of immortal who somehow de-aged herself, among other things.

[Deadman25]

Do characters in the arena know the capabilities of thier opponents?

If so, then what's to stop Iron Man from Chest beaming Magneto to death at the opening bell?

If Movie Mags can't stop energy attacks, then its just really a quickdraw between him and Iron Man. isn't it?

Iron Man is pretty up there as far as quickdraw goes, so he might have a chance.

As for Thor, it looks like Magneto's power would have to beat both the "unliftable by the unworthy" enchantment AND "the return to Thor no matter what enchantment" for him to do anything with it at all.

a man in a metal suit can make a move faster than a metal who can control metal ? the sec magneto sees Iron man its over for him. Stark has to raise his arm and point and aim. Magneto would already have control before Stark even tries to lift his arm.