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    Quote Originally Posted by Holacik View Post
    There's no reason to believe that a metal from another Planet can be manipulate by magnetism, especially since there are metals on Earth that aren't magnetic.
    Actually as far as I can tell from a quick search - I'm no expert so if you are one, I'll take your word for it - all metals are affected by magnetic fields, just not to the same degree.

    To quote the relevant part of the link:

    Numerous metals are not ferromagnetic. Common examples are copper, silver, aluminum, lead, magnesium, platinum and tungsten. All materials, however, react to magnetic fields in one of three ways:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Actually as far as I can tell from a quick search - I'm no expert so if you are one, I'll take your word for it - all metals are affected by magnetic fields, just not to the same degree.

    To quote the relevant part of the link:
    Yeah, I'm not anything close to being an expert :-).

    Still, I'm not even sure that Thor's Hammer is technically a metal, so that being murky I don't see how Magneto would get the free pass on being able to manipulate the thing.

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    It sure looks metallic to me. And it makes metallic sounds when it hits stuff, IIRC.

    I mean, what else would it be made of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Feat for Thor's hammer being immune to magnetism?

    Because magnetic fields, as far as I know, are not restricted to Earth alone.
    Well its not resistance to Magentism but you do have the fact that no one besides Thor (and Odin) has been seen to manipulate Mjonilr on any level. The Hulk was sitting there trying to heave it off the ground and didn't have a chance, and his top strength feats are comparable to Magento's top Magetism feats. (Lifting a Submarine/Bridge, to punching out a space whale so hard that its whole body lifted up.) So I wouldn't say he could.

    I don't think Magneto can stop both Thor and Ironman before either of them can get a shot off at him, and once Mags goes down the others can take down the rest. Even if Magneto can slam Ironman into Thor that won't be enough to kill either of them, though he could kill Tony inside the suit, Thor can still get to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    It sure looks metallic to me. And it makes metallic sounds when it hits stuff, IIRC.

    I mean, what else would it be made of?
    Stone maybe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    It sure looks metallic to me. And it makes metallic sounds when it hits stuff, IIRC.

    I mean, what else would it be made of?
    How should I know? They didn't cover the resources of Asgard during Thor :-).

    Seriously though, we don't know what it's made of, it comes from another Planet, but Magneto under board rules can manipulate it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigma Rex View Post
    Well its not resistance to Magentism but you do have the fact that no one besides Thor (and Odin) has been seen to manipulate Mjonilr on any level. The Hulk was sitting there trying to heave it off the ground and didn't have a chance, and his top strength feats are comparable to Magento's top Magetism feats. (Lifting a Submarine/Bridge, to punching out a space whale so hard that its whole body lifted up.) So I wouldn't say he could.

    I don't think Magneto can stop both Thor and Ironman before either of them can get a shot off at him, and once Mags goes down the others can take down the rest. Even if Magneto can slam Ironman into Thor that won't be enough to kill either of them, though he could kill Tony inside the suit, Thor can still get to him.
    Whats to stop Magneto from Crushing Stark into a ball before Stark even makes a move ? to be honest I say mags has better speed feats compared to Iron man. Like he stopped the bullet before hitting the officer's head. good bullet timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadman25 View Post
    Whats to stop Magneto from Crushing Stark into a ball before Stark even makes a move ? to be honest I say mags has better speed feats compared to Iron man. Like he stopped the bullet before hitting the officer's head. good bullet timing.
    Of course he fired that Bullet...

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    Assuming Mags can freeze the magic hammer

    I think this comes down to who's quickest on the draw, Magneto can be fast, all he needs do is form a thought to make a magnetic shield and freeze multiple shots from .45 guns in mid air, although Magneto himself says this would be pushing his powers to the limit
    Thor is going to be insanely fast, much faster than anything Magneto has seen
    The Thundergod flying fast enough to catch the Quinjet
    bouncing multiple Chitauri shots out of the air and back into the attacking aliens LukeSkywalker style

    Even if Eric stops the hammer, he still faces someone who is strong enough to go hand to hand with a class 100+ beast called Hulk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadman25 View Post
    Whats to stop Magneto from Crushing Stark into a ball before Stark even makes a move ? to be honest I say mags has better speed feats compared to Iron man. Like he stopped the bullet before hitting the officer's head. good bullet timing.
    Stark is reasonably fast as well though, dodging the tank's shot, in his first movie, so he still might be able to get a shot off, especially seeing as I don't see him crushing Stark's reasonably durable armour instantly, and if he focusses on Ironman first then Thor is going to get him, and if he focusses on Thor... I have no idea how he is going to hurt Thor, even with Stark's dead body, seeing as Stark's best hits weren't hurting the Thunder God, a crumpled up armour shouldn't be doing better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigma Rex View Post
    I don't think Magneto can stop both Thor and Ironman before either of them can get a shot off at him, and once Mags goes down the others can take down the rest. Even if Magneto can slam Ironman into Thor that won't be enough to kill either of them, though he could kill Tony inside the suit, Thor can still get to him.
    He can just push down all metals they have.

    Tony is rendered totally useless, Mjolnir is stuck on the ground (if you accept that it's a metal) unless Thor manages to overpower Magneto.
    Quote Originally Posted by Holacik View Post
    How should I know? They didn't cover the resources of Asgard during Thor :-).

    Seriously though, we don't know what it's made of, it comes from another Planet, but Magneto under board rules can manipulate it?
    It coming from another planet really shouldn't matter unless it's shown that stuff from that planet works completely different from the Earth equivalents. And Asgard wasn't that different from Earth.

    Personally, I'd tend to say "It looks like it's made of metal, it was forged, it acts like a metal hammer - albeit one with mystical powers - so it's made of metal".
    Just my opinion though, I wouldn't make a ruling out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whirlwind Dinamo View Post
    Assuming Mags can freeze the hammer

    I think this comes down to who's quickest on the draw, Magneto can be fast, all he needs do is form a thought to make a magnetic shield and freeze multiple shots from .45 guns in mid air, although Magneto himself says this would be pushing his powers to the limit
    Thor is going to be insanely fast, much faster than anything Magneto has seen
    The Thundergod flying fast enough to catch the Quinjet
    bouncing multiple Chitauri shots out of the air and back into the attacking aliens LukeSkywalker style

    Even if Eric stops the hammer, he still faces someone who is strong enough to go hand to hand with a class 100+ beast called Hulk
    Even if Magneto can stop the Hammer, then instead of Tossing it Thor rains down lightning, I don't see how The Brotherhood survives the opening volley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigma Rex View Post
    Stark is reasonably fast as well though, dodging the tank's shot, in his first movie, so he still might be able to get a shot off, especially seeing as I don't see him crushing Stark's reasonably durable armour instantly, and if he focusses on Ironman first then Thor is going to get him, and if he focusses on Thor... I have no idea how he is going to hurt Thor, even with Stark's dead body, seeing as Stark's best hits weren't hurting the Thunder God, a crumpled up armour shouldn't be doing better.
    If Mangeto can move the Golden gate bridge im pretty sure he can do what ever the hell he wants with the Iron man suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachnid View Post
    Possibly for Cap vs Sabretooth. I cant remember enough of Sabretooths feats in Origins. I do remember him taking that optic blast from Deadpool at point blank and coming out of it no worse for wear. His healing factor had a ridiculous upgrade that movie. I also remember he had pretty good reflexes because he managed to outmaneuver and kill a teleporter. He was pretty strong and fast in that movie too. All that combined with those claws make him a pretty formidable opponent.
    I don't think movie Sabretooth and movie Victor Creed are the same person. They look nothing alike, talk nothing alike, and never is X-1 Sabretooth referred to as Victor Creed, nor Origins Creed ever called Sabretooth. As far as I'm concerned they're two different dudes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    It sure looks metallic to me. And it makes metallic sounds when it hits stuff, IIRC.

    I mean, what else would it be made of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    Actually as far as I can tell from a quick search - I'm no expert so if you are one, I'll take your word for it - all metals are affected by magnetic fields, just not to the same degree.

    To quote the relevant part of the link:
    And an even more relevant part of the link:

    Virtually anything that we commonly think of as matter can be influenced by a magnetic field, provided certain conditions are met. However, for the most part there are only 3 elements (and then compounds made that include those elements) which are commonly thought of as magnetic: Iron, Nickel, and Cobalt. While most any matter can be influenced by a magnetic field, these 3 elements are thousands of times more susceptible to the effects of a magnetic field. Their interaction is so strong, their effects so dramatic, and other things so weak or subtle, that we generally just think of other things as not "magnetic".
    So no, this does not address the fictional metal Mjolnir is made of being "magnetic enough" to negate Thor "can physically rumble with Hulk" Odinson.

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