Avengers 2 additions

[Frank]

I have no prob skipping Cap entirely and giving Carol the Captain title.
She already is an air force pilot anyway.
And it´d be funny seeing Tony address her and Steve:
"- ...Captains!..."

I´d put her on the cockpit of one of those F-22 that provides air cover for the helicarrier.
Her fighter gets captured by Thanos' troops in mid-battle, she gets the alien experiment treatment, something goes wrong and Shazam!

I want to see a Captain Marvel movie with the Captain Marvel i've liked growing up. Some of you are sacrilegous.

[Frank]

Two characters that will NEVER appear are Ant-Man and Wasp - their power sets are just too dumb for the type of movie we saw and the characters themselves have nothing to bring in terms of dynamic. What the hell would a little insect woman be doing in that final battle? Or a Giant Man - with no invulnerability he's just a big soft target. They're too stupid even for a superhero film.

Pietro and Wanda likewise have nothing to bring if you remove the mutant children of Magneto angle. Already we have Natasha and Hawkeye filling that dynamic, "cool guy girl duo with shady pasts". Their powers could be interesting but not enough to justify bringing them on.

Any new characters need to have an origin springing out of the larger story, they need to contribute to a whole new connective framework that builds towards AV2. And the BEST thing about the movies from here is..with the shared universe now firmly established we can have ALOT more overlapping between movies. Like in the comics do.

A rough outline:

IRON MAN 3
Turns out Mandarin has his own weird brand of ancient alien tech (The Ten Rings) this very different to the Chitauri stuff and will later be known as belonging to The Kree. We also meet African industrialist/statesman, T'Challa, an excellent counter to Stark and any Iron Man film with a more international focus is the perfect vehicle for his entry. He also knows about Kree Tech and has covertly used it to build a progressive nation - something Stark greatly admires.

CAPTAIN AMERICA & SHIELD
Introduces agent Sam Wilson and Carol Danvers with appearances from Hawkeye and Widow. More Kree stuff is uncovered belonging to Baron Zemo and the modern HYDRA who now span the globe including Wakanda which we see briefly again. Wilson is old buddies with Romanov and Barton, similar type and skill set but particularly interested in creative advancements in weaponry (i.e. Stark Tech for armor and flight), will even utilize falcons as ancient but effective tools of espionage and war (a nice mirror to Barton with his old bow and arrow). Danvers is a test pilot of strange and unusual craft including Stark flight vests.

THOR 2
Introduces Mar-Vell an alien spy sent to investigate the Asgard Chitauri alliance (thanks to Loki) and basically recon and report the events of AV1 back to the Kree i.e. the invasion of Earth and their surprise defenses. The Thor film is a great vehicle for Mar-vel as both are otherworldly, can go head-to-head and has the connection to both Asgard and Earth. Caught lurking around the Rainbow Road and trapped in Asgard together they fend of an advance Chitauri/Other Realm attack. T'Challa the Kree authority appears towards end of film when Mar-Vell arrives on Earth is imprisoned and dies.

HULK
Bruce is living with his lawyer/agent/cousin/SHEILD liaison Jennifer Walters. HYDRA wants Hulk blood and sends armies with Kree tech to bring him in. Captain America is a natural fit to this film with the super-solder and HYDRA connection, HYDRA can't get the Hulk serum so they kidnap Carol Danvers and give her a transfusion of Kree smuggled out of Wakanda. Jennifer is mortally injured and must take a flawed super-soldier/Hulk serum to survive. All future Hulk sequels are now actually comedy chick flicks on rage roids starring Jen. Awesome.

AVENGERS 3
Now includes FALCON, KING PANTHER, MS. MARVEL and SHE-HULK hell yeah. All out Kree VS Chitauri on Earth with Thanos in the background as the intergalactic warmonger setting the two races against each other.

The connections would indeed be interesting to create a whole map. My only issue would be that you basically say that the Chitauri are the Skrulls hence their connection to the Kree. I think it sacrifices The shape-shifting Skrulls that I want to see on-screen as enemies of the Kree. Hopefully we should never see the Chitauri ever again.

Also Carol shouldn't have the same origin as She-Hulk, we don't need two blood transfusions. Just have Carol use Kree tech once Mar-Vell dies. She rename herself Ms. Marvel to honor him afterwards.

In Avengers 3 you have the Kree-Skrulls war and Thanos using it to conquer Earth as an agent of Death. That's the right moment when Death is "distracted" to have Captain Mar-Vell being ressurected as an agent of Eternity to fight the mad Titan.

[Lord Bravery]

Will they add a a DC charter in the next movie? or they will stick on the original characters from the comics and cartoons?

... not sure if serious...

[nepenthes]

Oh man, I would watch those movies all day every day.

Yeah me too

I just think Panther, Ms Marvel, Falcon and a funny sexy smart She-Hulk are far more interesting in potential and appeal than Hank & Pym and Piertro & Wanda. Kree VS Skrull c'mon that's just classic and they're already half there with the alien tech plot. Build Wakanda as vibrant location in the MU. And a line of crazy She-Hulk chick-flicks how great would that be

Oh, they have plenty to offer in terms of dynamic. They were great in The Ultimates, which the film largely drew from.

I know Ultimates very well it was one of the titles responsible for keeping me interested in comics at a time when I could've easily drifted away (think I was reading New-Xmen and Planetary around then? they were great too). But it's a different medium and to qualify for film and stand apart from the current character set they need to bring much more to the party, as I said I think their niche is filled by Widow and Hawkeye already. And even in the Ultimates, they didnt really do much character-wise other than stand around pouting and acting very suspect towards each other.

The connections would indeed be interesting to create a whole map. My only issue would be that you basically say that the Chitauri are the Skrulls hence their connection to the Kree. I think it sacrifices The shape-shifting Skrulls that I want to see on-screen as enemies of the Kree. Hopefully we should never see the Chitauri ever again.

Also Carol shouldn't have the same origin as She-Hulk, we don't need two blood transfusions. Just have Carol use Kree tech once Mar-Vell dies. She rename herself Ms. Marvel to honor him afterwards.

In Avengers 3 you have the Kree-Skrulls war and Thanos using it to conquer Earth as an agent of Death. That's the right moment when Death is "distracted" to have Captain Mar-Vell being ressurected as an agent of Eternity to fight the mad Titan.

Yeah Chitauri would equal Skrulls and I agree with your point...though nothing says the film Chitauri can't also shape shift, it just wasn't part of the plan hatched with Loki and therefore was no reason to see it. They were strictly to stay off world while Loki layed the ground then act as brute force, we actually saw Loki holding them at bay so it works.

Carols origin can be any type of merging with Kree DNA/tech you're right, I suppose I was more drawing a mirror to Jennifer though, that they both undergo very different transformations, one is Kree one is Hulk however it occurs

Kree VS Skrull is actually so huge it should be drawn out over AV2 and AV3 with 3 just bringing in the Gauntlet and expanding to more cosmic battlefields and players. You wouldn't want to wrap the war and just move on. To what? Thanos isn't that interesting in his self. I like your final showdown idea but is Mar Vel the best pick for the ultimate hero saviour though, in an Avengers film? I dunno...

[Ottmeister X]

Personally I think the quickest way to ruin the Avengers would be to add a bunch of new members. I want to see these characters that I have been following in their own movies come together again. Why ruin the great dynamic of the group? If they did have to add someone hopefully its just one character. Black Panther would be best choice

My thoughts also. One new character, two at the most. While the fan boys in us all want to see these different characters, the movie is making hundreds of millions from the general viewing public and they do not need to be over-saturated with all kinds of characters. This is one of the areas where I think the X-Men films screwed up by introducing a bunch of new characters. I trust Joss Whedon though, assuming he comes back, that he realizes pumping the Avengers with new superheros would not be a logical economic move for the franchise.

Ant-Man, Wasp, and Black Panther do not make sense for a Thanos cosmic movie. There have already been admissions that the team is short of female leads, so Ms. Marvel or Scarlet Witch would be powerful additions. I would love to see Vision but no Hank and no Ultron doesn't make sense to introduce the Vision.

If Whedon sticks to the origin of the Thanos character, then players like Mantis, Drax, and Moondragon could be new introductions. Maybe Warlock. And someone has to play Death, right?

[MRMIRACLE]

Whedon excels at building up a core cast, while embellishing the story with "Guest Stars". Season 3 Buffy featured up to 9 characters and it was easily one of the best seasons!

Large casts are easier to manage in a weekly series than they are in 2-hour stand-alone films. Even if they're part of a series of films, each one has got to hold up on its own or they could kill the golden goose.

[Frank]

Yeah me too

I just think Panther, Ms Marvel, Falcon and a funny sexy smart She-Hulk are far more interesting in potential and appeal than Hank & Pym and Piertro & Wanda. Kree VS Skrull c'mon that's just classic and they're already half there with the alien tech plot. Build Wakanda as vibrant location in the MU. And a line of crazy She-Hulk chick-flicks how great would that be




I know Ultimates very well it was one of the titles responsible for keeping me interested in comics at a time when I could've easily drifted away (think I was reading New-Xmen and Planetary around then? they were great too). But it's a different medium and to qualify for film and stand apart from the current character set they need to bring much more to the party, as I said I think their niche is filled by Widow and Hawkeye already. And even in the Ultimates, they didnt really do much character-wise other than stand around pouting and acting very suspect towards each other.




Yeah Chitauri would equal Skrulls and I agree with your point...though nothing says the film Chitauri can't also shape shift, it just wasn't part of the plan hatched with Loki and therefore was no reason to see it. They were strictly to stay off world while Loki layed the ground then act as brute force, we actually saw Loki holding them at bay so it works.

Carols origin can be any type of merging with Kree DNA/tech you're right, I suppose I was more drawing a mirror to Jennifer though, that they both undergo very different transformations, one is Kree one is Hulk however it occurs

Kree VS Skrull is actually so huge it should be drawn out over AV2 and AV3 with 3 just bringing in the Gauntlet and expanding to more cosmic battlefields and players. You wouldn't want to wrap the war and just move on. To what? Thanos isn't that interesting in his self. I like your final showdown idea but is Mar Vel the best pick for the ultimate hero saviour though, in an Avengers film? I dunno...

I'm thinking if there's the Kree involved and Thanos somehow use the Kree-Skrull War to Invade the best person to stop him would have to be Captain Marvel. Plus like the Hulk in Avengers, it uses the movie to create another star character.

[Nate Grey]

They can use them they just can't call them mutants or mention Magneto. Fox can use them as well but they can't mention the Avengers.

Beat me to it (looked up the links after reading the first couple of posts). I think that's pretty interesting, and it could mean Scarlet and Quicksilver could show up in a Magneto solo movie (if they ever decide to make one). It makes me wonder though...does this mean if both Fox and Marvel use Scarlet and Quicksilver, that both will be played by different actors for each franchise? One set for Marvel, one for Fox?

But yeah, pretty interesting.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I´m not interested in seeing the Pyms at all.
I know it´s probably just me but the whole domestic volence mess just rubs me the wrong way, for some reason.

[tangentman]

Large casts are easier to manage in a weekly series than they are in 2-hour stand-alone films. Even if they're part of a series of films, each one has got to hold up on its own or they could kill the golden goose.

I disagree. A proper amount of balance in screen-time wouldn't overwhelm the story. Consider the Lord of The Rings trilogy. Those films featured way more characters than we're requesting. I don't think the films suffered at all for it (the "never-ending goodby" at the end of King notwithstanding). Avengers ran almost the same length. Joss could make it work.

Re: the Pyms, I think they could be fun and their dynamic would easily fit into the Whedon Charm. I don't think we need to START with the infamous "Bitch-slap Heard 'Round The World". If it EVER comes up, it should only come up with Hank in the throes of his YJ insanity.

The story could accommodate Mar-Vell and Carol; let him show up as "Captain Mar-Vell". He dies...or "dies"...destroying the Cosmic Cube. Carol gains powers because of Kree tech and calls herself "Captain Marvel" to honor her friend.

If there's Thanos, at LEAST let us see Moondragon, a character famously associated with Thanos. Almost as much so as Adam Warlock. I'd love to see Mantis in the Thanos-centric story because she played a pivotal role in defeating him during the Avengers' first run-in with him. Not mandatory, but c'mon, at least we'd get some Whedon babe bad-assery like Buffy vs. Glory in "The Gift" or River slaughtering the Reavers in Serenity!

[thenerdal]

I don't wanna see Ant-Man or Wasp girl in the next movie, because they just don't fit in the movie. A man who can shrink is lame and a girl the size of a wasp is also lame, film wise. In comics, it doesn't matter.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I disagree. A proper amount of balance in screen-time wouldn't overwhelm the story. Consider the Lord of The Rings trilogy. Those films featured way more characters than we're requesting. I don't think the films suffered at all for it (the "never-ending goodby" at the end of King notwithstanding). Avengers ran almost the same length. Joss could make it work.

LOL
Don´t remind me of Lord of the Rings.
I´m watching Return of the King with my nieces and boy, is this flm long.
Not only is it long but it feels long.

Three hours into the movie (or at least it felt like three hours had passed), my niece turns to me asking how long is the movie and when I check, we´d only been watching it for 40 minutes.

In comparison, the Avengers 2 hours felt like 40 minutes.

[AdamYJ]

I don't wanna see Ant-Man or Wasp girl in the next movie, because they just don't fit in the movie. A man who can shrink is lame and a girl the size of a wasp is also lame, film wise. In comics, it doesn't matter.

How do you know they'd be lame in the movies. Many people probably thought an archer is lame, but Hawkeye did fine on the big screen. People probably thought teaming up gods and soldiers and spies and dudes in armored suits in the same movie was lame, but it worked brilliantly. I thought the idea of Hulk as an Avenger was lame because it never worked before, but the movie and cartoon have proved me wrong.

It always feels like people are in a rush to limit these things. Superhero comics are full of things that shouldn't work, but do anyway. In many ways, that is the soul of creativity. So, instead of claiming what's lame and wouldn't work, why not try to think of a way to make it work.

[thenerdal]

How do you know they'd be lame in the movies. Many people probably thought an archer is lame, but Hawkeye did fine on the big screen. People probably thought teaming up gods and soldiers and spies and dudes in armored suits in the same movie was lame, but it worked brilliantly. I thought the idea of Hulk as an Avenger was lame because it never worked before, but the movie and cartoon have proved me wrong.

It always feels like people are in a rush to limit these things. Superhero comics are full of things that shouldn't work, but do anyway. In many ways, that is the soul of creativity. So, instead of claiming what's lame and wouldn't work, why not try to think of a way to make it work.

The thing is that the superheros in the Avengers are somewhat realistic. Ironman could be realistic with future technology. Heck, all we need is an energy source that's small and infinite. I already seen a nice Iron Man costume with moving parts, all it needs now is the ability to fly. lol. As for Hulk, it's somewhat realistic again. Hawkeye is very realistic, Black Widow is too. Same with Captain America. I make an exception of Thor and Loki and Asgard and the Chitauri because they're from a different universe and they're Gods in real life, and people believe in God(s) so again, it's very realistic.

Ant-Man, however isn't. It won't fit in. Which is why I'm curious about Ant-Man's upcoming movie.

[AdamYJ]

The thing is that the superheros in the Avengers are somewhat realistic. Ironman could be realistic with future technology. Heck, all we need is an energy source that's small and infinite. I already seen a nice Iron Man costume with moving parts, all it needs now is the ability to fly. lol. As for Hulk, it's somewhat realistic again. Hawkeye is very realistic, Black Widow is too. Same with Captain America. I make an exception of Thor and Loki and Asgard and the Chitauri because they're from a different universe and they're Gods in real life, and people believe in God(s) so again, it's very realistic.

Ant-Man, however isn't. It won't fit in. Which is why I'm curious about Ant-Man's upcoming movie.

I'm sorry, I really don't see most of those characters as being all that realistic, particularly the Hulk. Or Captain America. Sure, the soldier thing is okay, but being trapped in ice for over fifty years without dying? Yeah, right? Screw realism. A truly great movie should make a person believe in the impossible. I'm of the opinion that it's far too limiting to try and make these bigger-than-life characters and bring them into a "real" world. It's better to create the world itself and then make it so the audience believes in it. It works fdor fantasy movies like The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, so why not super-heroes? Besides, shrinking guys have worked in movies before. "The Incredible Shrinking Man" is a classic science fiction movie that focuses on the psychological effects of someone getting smaller. It's proof that if you do the right amount of character work, no one will care how "unrealistic" your science fiction is.

Anyway, if movies all have to be tied to this negative "It'll never work" mentality, then I think movies really aren't the best medium for super-heroes. They should stick to cartoons.