What are your thoughts on ARESIA?

[wagthedog]

Yes, i'd love that too. She also looks great.

Oh btw, Hippolyta was blonde in the DCAU as well.

Never had a problem with Hippy being a blond.

[coveredinbees]

If that is the case, that they 'magically endowed her with Amazon strength', it makes Wonder Woman less unique..

She's still the nicest one. They don't have time to go into stuff on tv.

I like the Amazons being near equal to Die, anyway. That way the contest is fair.

[wagthedog]

She's still the nicest one. They don't have time to go into stuff on tv.

I like the Amazons being near equal to Die, anyway. That way the contest is fair.

I thought, if I remember right, that William Messaner Loebs had done it in a clever way. Didn't Hippy get someone (maybe Hera or one of her own amazons) to do some kind of magical enchantment on Diana so that she would be on par power wise with the other amazons while she was on Themiscyria?

I might not be remembering this quite right as I haven't read those issues in quite a while. If that was the case, at least Diana would be competing in a fair contest while she was on the Island.

[RandomFalls]

DCAU Amazons are very different. In the first episode of Justice League, there is no contest; Diana steals the bracers and lasso. (She doesn't learn about the truth business until the first season of JLU.) This of course is contradicted by the Simone Wonder Woman DVD. But all of the Amazons have superhuman powers; a small army of them holds back a horde of Doomsday clones in Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.

If I remember correctly, and I could be very wrong here, Diana learns abut the lasso compelling people to tel the truth in the fifth season, or third season of JLU if you wanna work it that way. It's when she and Hawkgirl go down to the Underworld to stop Felix Faust and restore Hades to power. And then the power of the lasso is never mentioned again. She also gets a power boost here as well, which is also never mentioned again.

I was pretty disappointed. But then I couldn't stand JL/JLU's take on WW, she used to make me rage.

And I don't think the Wonder Woman animated movie really counts as a contradiction since it's in a seperate universe to the JL/JLU and, really, so is Superman/Batman: Apocolypse.

[BeccaBlast]

If I remember correctly, and I could be very wrong here, Diana learns abut the lasso compelling people to tel the truth in the fifth season, or third season of JLU if you wanna work it that way. It's when she and Hawkgirl go down to the Underworld to stop Felix Faust and restore Hades to power. And then the power of the lasso is never mentioned again. She also gets a power boost here as well, which is also never mentioned again.

I was pretty disappointed. But then I couldn't stand JL/JLU's take on WW, she used to make me rage.

And I don't think the Wonder Woman animated movie really counts as a contradiction since it's in a seperate universe to the JL/JLU and, really, so is Superman/Batman: Apocolypse.

Diana finds out about the lasso in the second season of JLU -- she spent the first season of it p***ed as hell at Shayera over her treachery. In the third season, she mentions that if she can "get my lasso" around one of the Secret Society, she can find out what they're after (in this case, the ship of the Viking Prince). J'onn uses his telepathy, but it's blocked by Grodd -- they never got around to saying if the lasso would have caused a mental short circuit there, too.

Yeah, my understanding is that none of the DTV movies are part of the DCAU -- even Crisis on Two Earths got reworked from a JLU script into something separate.

[nj06]

She would have made a great villain trinity. Circe and Ares wouldn't fix right in with Lex and Joker, and Cheetah is more of a follower than the leader.

I agree. I feel like she had the most potential out of all of the Wonder Woman villains featured in the cartoon. Ares, Circe, and Hades never seemed liked they would work well with other villains. Circe might, but she seemed more troublesome than downright evil. Plus, I can see a character like her becoming annoying real quick. Cheetah and Giganta were kept as goons and henchwomen.

At least Aresia was tough. She knew how to execute her plan and when the time came, honey knew how to throw them hands!

I also liked the psychology behind Aresia. I think it was Hawkgirl who said that Aresia was simply taking her Amazon heritage/teachings to its most extreme. I would have liked to have seen Aresia fight against the other JLU women like Hawkgirl, Vixen, Black Canary, and Huntress.

[americanwonder]

I'm not a big fan of Aresia, and agree that the "we magically gave her powers" bit was a little too convenient for my taste.

[Zak213]

She was pretty awesome.

[Dr. Hurt]

Never had a problem with Hippy being a blond.

No, i was just mentioning it in general.

About the villains, JL even demoted Sinestro into a thug. They mostly played with a select few recurring villains, as well as the New Gods.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

I loved the character: It showed how flawed the Amazons world philosophy was. The idea that the view of the amazons only worked because they were an island of isolationists, who refused to act on there world view. But as soon as you have someone who actually applies your rhetoric in practice, it turns out its a pretty monsterous world view to possess. I love that WB had the balls to do that storyline.

[Thirteen]

Aresia as an Amazon extremist is a great idea in a similar Superman/General Zod dynamic filling the "equal opposite" role very nicely. Both Fury characters contribute to her visual design (Lyta) and origin (Helena under Phil Jimenez's pen) and reminds me more than a bit of Clea the Atlantean Queen (who also turned up during the Jimenez tenure).



With regards to Diana's power level compared to that of her Amazon sisters in JLU-verse. The armor and weapons she stole to come to join the League's battle against the White Martians gave her powers beyond those higher abilities of general Amazons ;presumably among these is flight, as well as the truth compelling ability of the lasso. IIRC there is very little specificity revealed to her after reconciling with Hippolyta and having the "full power" of the armor activated.

[jsrichardson1]

Aresia was a really good villain. I feel like they were trying to do a "Harley Quinn" and create a new villain for Wonder Woman via the animated show like they did for Batman with Harley. I would love to see her in the comics and future animated world

[DisneyBoy]

That's interesting - I never would have thought of her as a Harley Quinn! She wasn't filling some role in Diana's supporting cast that was previously empty, the way Harley lightened up Joker, while adding another strong loveable tortured female to the roster.

Agreed, I loved her costume! I think she had one of the strongest designs in that series, it could easily be translated over to the comic realm.

See, I really didn't like Aresia's costume. I guess her being in "pants" (or a body-suit) kind of makes sense, given her desire to see women take over all the traditionally male roles in the world...but I found it very bland, and not at all stylish. Circe got a terrific new look in the DCAU...Aresia, not so much. And there was no explanation given for it either. In the flashbacks on the island, we see her in a skirt like all the other women, but then she's in Man's World with a costume. It's a small detail, but since I don't like the costume to begin with, I'm going to point it out

I found the "men suck!" slant in "Fury" a bit annoying and the character half-baked. She really needed another plot to be fleshed out into someone three dimensional. As much as the Amazons are hiding out on their island, they don't think all believe as a culture that men are totally useless and/or evil (not that it's ever explicitly stated in the DCAU).

Of course, I'm not very familiar with the character from the comics, so maybe it's just a trait they brought over from the books.

[BeccaBlast]

Aresia was never a character in the comic -- hence the Harley Quinn analogy -- Harley was created by Paul Dini for the series and then brought into the comic when she proved to be so popular.

I am mystified that people always accept Hawkgirl's view of the Amazons as truthful -- the one member whose throughline was deceit is taken at face value; but since she expressed a view that a lot of fans had, however wrongheaded, it's almost canon. Aresia was about as logical a result of Amazon culture as the Hitler Youth was of European culture.

[Dr. Hurt]

Didnt Hippolyta correct all that in the end, telling Arisia that the Amazons dont hate men?