Why do people think TDKR won't make that much money because of it's darkness?

[verslibre]

So, I highly doubt people have 'cooled off' on this series of Batman films.

Not a chance. We've been waiting for the third film the last four years. With the current fervor over TA ticket sales swirling like a fart trapped in a perpetual spiral by the four winds, folks tend to forget TDK's total worldwide take exceeded one billion dollars. That's a film with one character, not a team. The previous movies for the individual TA characters each have not and will not approach that kind of take. If they do the "Extremis" storyline, Iron Man 3 should easily outgross its predecessor, considering what a lousy film IM2 turned out to be.

[thwhtGuardian]

Just my opinion. I feel like the tide of public opinion has turned on him a bit recently and that a Nolan backlash is coming. My sense of it is that following Inception, the opinion of him has swung some from "oh wow he's brilliant" to "oh wow he thinks he's so brilliant." It's subtle (well, except when South Park parodied Inception) but I think it's there.

Like I said, though, TDKR is going to doing very well. Just not as well as TDK. Bigger concern is just Part 3s aren't usually good flicks.

Eh, that's certainly the prevalent trend online, but in real life I don't think the back lash is similar to that at all.

[verslibre]

incidentally, i thought the first half of Iron-Man 2 was pretty good, but it really went downhill after that, they rushed the production through, that's why Jon Favereau left the stable. They seem to be trying to make up for it with Shane Black though, but the rest of the solo films seem to be on the same kind of rushed timetable, apparently that's why Branagh and Patty Jenkins jumped ship on Thor 2, which also comes out next year, but has not even announced any news on casting, never mind filming.[/QUOTE]

And I was one of them! LOL! I loved it. The b.s. rhetoric over ticket grosses is bizarre to me. I never realized it was taboo to like both companies' characters.

The first half of IM2 was indeed decent, but it came off the rails in the second half. It was a waste of what should have been a spectacular climactic battle. The singularly worst aspect for me was Rhodes' sudden dominating command of the Iron Man armor sans any sort of exposition. They blew the opportunity for a great War Machine movie-length story, and it looks like they won't be indulging Stark's descent into alcoholism. They want to keep it light 'n fluffy.

[listenuscrewheads]

And I was one of them! LOL! I loved it. The b.s. rhetoric over ticket grosses is bizarre to me. I never realized it was taboo to like both companies' characters.

Aye, I was just joking, I had a blast at the cinema watching it, but I think it will be the more story led sh flicks I will watch repeatedly. I will save the Avengers for special occasions, as I could easily get sick of the action.

The first half of IM2 was indeed decent, but it came off the rails in the second half. It was a waste of what should have been a spectacular climactic battle. The singularly worst aspect for me was Rhodes' sudden dominating command of the Iron Man armor sans any sort of exposition. They blew the opportunity for a great War Machine movie-length story, and it looks like they won't be indulging Stark's descent into alcoholism. They want to keep it light 'n fluffy.

aye, Marvel studios do seem to be playing it safe with their films, apart from IM1. I wonder if that will remain their policy once they are raking in so much money they don't have the excuse of not wanting to gamble away the Avengers prospect, or if they will want to repeat formula due to the success.

[Kurri]

I've seen people saying this a few other forums, I just read a article on MTV.com saying it won't make as much as The Avengers because the Avengers is "more fun" and I've read other people saying Nolan's Batman films have been really dark and people want to leave the theater cheering and in a good mood. Something they don't think TDKR will have people doing.

I dont think it will make as much as the avengers but its going to make a boat load of money. Avengers came out at the perfect time, no big blockbusters out right now, no other comic book movies out right now. When TDKR comes out, spiderman will be out, battleship and a few other big summer "blockbusters". but...then again...who knows. Oh and dont count out 3D ticket prices! IMAX 3D is not cheap

[Mat001]

Isn't it obvious? The movies are dark and complex. You can't sell toys for something like that or license a bunch of other merchandise. Kids will be turned off by how "frightening" it is, and people in general won't like to see a movie that doesn't follow the same generic formulas.

For most people movies are an escape and they want to see shallow characters fight the same obstacles in predictable fashion. Having developed characters deal with issues and themes in a realistic fashion would turn them off.

I'd buy that if "The Dark Knight" didn't make the money that it did, considering it was as dark as "Batman Returns" was. The merchandising wasn't affected at all by the hard PG-13 of that film, unlike the earlier entry.

And I was one of them! LOL! I loved it. The b.s. rhetoric over ticket grosses is bizarre to me. I never realized it was taboo to like both companies' characters.

It's the same argument that "Star Wars" fans, "Lord Of The Rings" fans and even "The Matrix" fans all had ten years ago. Hell, you see it in comic sales and estimates threads. It's all a dick measuring contest.

[Kurri]

yeah meant TA in 3D. that really does boost ticket sales.

So in July you will have Ice Age and Spiderman out. Might effect sales???

[MajorHoy]

Just my opinion. I feel like the tide of public opinion has turned on him a bit recently and that a Nolan backlash is coming. My sense of it is that following Inception, the opinion of him has swung some from "oh wow he's brilliant" to "oh wow he thinks he's so brilliant." It's subtle (well, except when South Park parodied Inception) but I think it's there.

Like I said, though, TDKR is going to doing very well. Just not as well as TDK. Bigger concern is just Part 3s aren't usually good flicks.

One of my pet peeves is when people present their "opinion" in such a way that it comes off as gospel, unargueable truth.

It's a bit dishonest to not make it clear it's merely your opinion, or just the opinion of your five drinking buddies. Just adding things like "it seems" would make it a bit more transparent that it's not a given fact that can be cited with credible sources.

[verslibre]

yeah meant TA in 3D. that really does boost ticket sales.

So in July you will have Ice Age and Spiderman out. Might effect sales???

Neither film will affect TDKR's ticket sales negatively.

[Lex Von Doom]

1. I'm comparing TDK and TDKR. One of the reasons the former did so well was because of the Joker. You can't deny that Batman's villains are far more iconic than the ones that fight the Avengers. Not a lot of people went to see the Avengers because of Loki alone, but a lot of people went to see TDK because of the Joker.
2. I said it helped, not that it was the sole reason
3. How many of those are superhero movies?

About number 3. none of them may have been superhero movies but Harry Potter has the fantastical elements similar to superhero movies and the Hunger Games was an action movie which is similar to superhero movies too. Plus if people just wanted bright superhero movies instead of dark movies Batman and Robin and the Fantastic Four movies would've made more than any darker more serious superhero movie like TDK or the X-Men films. At the end of the day people just want a good movie whether it's dark or not doesn't matter.

[Fate's Faith]

I think TDKR will be a financial success and maybe even a critical one. My only complaint has been the trailer especially when you have it attached to one of the biggest action pack movies in some time right along side a trailer for the new Spider-Man. You get a few shots of the character's anguish, the villain and Catwoman commenting on getting in the car with strange men between shots of black. So, what is the film about? I dunno. It just tells us its the conclusion. On the other hand with Spider-Man we get Spider-Man in action, the Lizard attacking twice I believe, Dr. Connors, something becoming the Lizard (and comic fans probably know who), Gwen in danger and the question of wanting to know about his parents. That's a nice little package of what that film will be dealing with. It seems TDKR is depending on people who saw TDK and everyone else to just don't bother because you didn't see what came before that needs concluding. I just think it was a terrible trailer which had a huge audience to introduce an upcoming film to.

[zur en arrh]

Far, far too many trailers show you too much these days. Nolan does not.

[Fate's Faith]

Far, far too many trailers show you too much these days. Nolan does not.

Another failing on Warners part again because Nolan's been paid. They have not.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Is a movie being dark means it will bomb? What is the definition of Dark? Explosions and deaths?
MS movies have plenty of explosions. Bay-formers grossed a high amount and it's crap with crapload of '

[bkey313]

Avengers could very well win the battle. As for the to dark factor the top five grossing comicbook movies are 1)TDK 2)Spider-Man 3)Spider-Man 2 4) Spider-Man 5)Iron Man. 4 of the top five were dark. 6-10 Iron Man 2, Batman(89) , MIB , X-Men 2 and Avengers and rising. So 60% of the top ten were dark movies. It is not a big deal.