I just don't believe that the current DC leadership likes Wally West. Period. That's why he's "off the table." It sounds petty, but I think that the handling of Wally over the past few years speaks for itself. And Didio's "jokes" about Wally ("Which one is he again?).I suppose Iris could have a nephew or they could have used Wally as Kid Flash, but to me that would be the character in name only. I have no doubt whatsoever that Wally will be back at some point, but for now I totally get why they want him out of the way.
The DC brain trust grew up with Barry on TV and in comics. They see him as Flash. They do not see Wally as a legitimate Flash. I'm actually surprised that Wally is benched and not retconned out of existence. It doesn't matter that Wally wore the scarlet uniform and is quite popular. To them, Barry is "iconic." Obviously, DC's animation wing is not influenced by DC's editorial edicts, and, needless to say, it has a larger audience than the comics. Once they're gone and a new editorial team is in charge, there will probably be more flexibility regarding characters. They may even realize we can have Barbara, Cass, and Steph! (I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but my gut feeling tells me favoritism is a factor.)
I still think that the multiverse is the best way to go. Make a home for different legacies on one of the 52 earths.
Meanwhile, I also find it telling that DC apparently got few new readers. This gets back to my theory about this "reboot": They wanted to win back lapsed readers (who are the ones most enthusiastic about it). The lapsed readers remember pre-COIE contunity and are happy to have the heroes they remember return. It sounds weird, but think about it: DC has very few kid-friendly titles. They have stated blatantly that they're going for male readers 18-34. The newer, younger readers have much less money to burn than, say, old-school DC fans from the pre-COIE era. I really believe that this reboot was designed largely with readers of a certain age/demographic, not new ones.
So they've disposed of assorted post-COIE interlopers to get their "iconic" heroes back. Yes, they tossed babies out with the bathwater. Yes, they fixed a lot of things that weren't broken. But this is a marketing tool, basically, one that energized current and former readers and clearly didn't bring in many new ones.
I do think DC succeeded its goals, but when the novelty of the new 52 wears off, then we can judge if it was a success. What will sales be a year or two from now? Will those lapsed readers stay or drift away again? And will it make up for the readers who dropped DC after the "reboot"?
Last edited by PennyDreadful; 05-11-2012 at 01:33 PM.
^I wasn't dropping books, I was adding books! Every event/crossover that occurred got me interested in more titles. Of course NOW I've dropped books, I'll be barely getting any compared to what I used to. Compare 7-8 now to 50+ then.
This is why i always find the Marvel VS DC thing funny because when you look at the they really not that different and they can't pleas everyone.
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I just find that DC never sticks with its canon for very long these days. They finished up some (admittedly boring) story arcs in Brightest Day and even started a new one starring Ronnie Raymond and Jason Rauch. Then they rebooted everything, which means that it's one of many plotlines left dangling. IMO, it's just a sloppy way to do things.
And why do you think that is? Maybe instead of rebooting and having crisis crossovers every 3-5 years, they should publish stronger titles? DC is doing the same thing Marvel did in the 1990s--relying on gimmicks to carry the day. Gimmicks can't guarantee long-term readers.It may have been more successful in some areas more than others but still, it remains true their current readership base was not sticking around.
TBH, almost none of the rebooted books I read were that great. For most, I lost interest after one or two issues. The few I stuck with were disappointing because the story lines just dragged. After a while, I realized that the same frustration and boredom from before the reboot was still there and dropped whatever DC titles I was reading.
I think the new DC has many of the same problems as the old DC. And this reboot doesn't solve the long-term issue of expanding beyond their current demographic. I just find that this reboot offers more of the same, and it's possible DC will find itself in the same position 2-5 years from now that it was pre-reboot, continuity snarls and all.
Last edited by PennyDreadful; 05-11-2012 at 08:41 PM.
I was disappointed because I really loved Blackest Night and enjoyed what Johns had done with the Lanterns. And I'd loved Birds of Prey in the past. But in the year before the reboot, I just grew frustrated with the constant delays on the Flash book and the dullness of Brightest Day. And I was also disappointed by the relaunched BoP before the reboot. Thankfully, books now publish on time, but the glacial pacing, glumness, and generally humorless nature of the books remains. (Don't get me started on the new Blue Beetle comic--poor Jaime!) What I really liked about the pre-reboot DC was the sense of camaraderie among the characters. For me it's really all about characters and their relationships. Now that's been tossed out, and there isn't a sense of new teams coming together. GL: New Guardians is a case in point.Honestly, I still fail to see if you yourself wasn't that happy with what DC was doing pre-relaunch, what does it matter now? You were dropping titles before and are still dropping titles. Apparently, you weren't getting what you're looking for with either version so you think its a better idea for DC to lose you as well as never regain me?
They could've perhaps revamped their line without a reboot. Just my opinion.
I would like to say for the record that this is the FIRST TIME I've withheld dong when someone was so desperately asking for some.
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You are correct that the "Flash Family" concept was a big part of the Flash book - when Wally was the lead character. It has never been a big part of the book with Barry as the lead. Pre-Crisis there was no "Flash Family" - there was Barry and Wally, and Wally wasn't around all that much. The "Flash Family" grew up around Wally, and was a natural extension of the legacy theme that drove the book for most of the time that Wally was the lead. It doesn't fit anywhere near as well with Barry in the lead, and this was evident during the Johns run, as the rest of the speedsters were shoehorned into supporting roles that they didn't fit.
With the reboot, all that is gone. Proof is in the pudding - pre-Flashpoint the book was mostly terrible. Post-Flashpoint, with the same lead character and same artist, it's one of the best-reviewed books in the line. They're doing something right, even if the book isn't personally to your taste.