How long do you see each bat-book lasting?

[Jackson Brody]

Birds of Prey is my favorite Batbook at the moment, followed by Batwoman.

Until Inc returns, that is.

[Captain Jim]

I don't think any of them are in any danger for quite a while, other than maybe Batwing. And even there, there are lots of other DCnU books selling a lot worse at the moment. I could see even Batwing lasting 2-3 years.

[CaptCleghorn]

"Fair shake" means that some people say (or think) "I don't want to read a book about girls" and dismiss it outright without seeing if it may actually be interesting and entertaining.

(I don't think they automatically assume a girl has to have a purse filled with girly crime-fighting gimmicks, like 1950's and 60's Batwoman did, but I can't swear to that.)

I quickly get tired of just one rhymer. Why would I want my annoyance in stereo?

For whatever reason, you're saying that not wanting a book just because it has a female lead isn't giving it a fair shake. Great, your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. However, you made a statement about rhyming characters and how you wouldn't want a book with them. If you see a difference between not buying a book because it has a female or a rhyming lead, that's also OK. You have the right to read or select whatever book you want for whatever reason.

But once you start claiming that someone else's selection criteria isn't fair, I'm going to point out your hypocrisy.

[MajorHoy]

For whatever reason, you're saying that not wanting a book just because it has a female lead isn't giving it a fair shake. Great, your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. However, you made a statement about rhyming characters and how you wouldn't want a book with them. If you see a difference between not buying a book because it has a female or a rhyming lead, that's also OK. You have the right to read or select whatever book you want for whatever reason.

But once you start claiming that someone else's selection criteria isn't fair, I'm going to point out your hypocrisy.

It's not hypocritical if someone has read various Demon titles where Etrigan was an annoying rhymer and doesn't want to read any more of his rhyming vs. someone not even picking up and looking at a comic book because it stars female ccharacters and not a bunch of guys.

Are you annoyed because you like Etrigan being a rhymer? Because you seem to be taking this to extremes here.

[CaptCleghorn]

It's not hypocritical if someone has read various Demon titles where Etrigan was an annoying rhymer and doesn't want to read any more of his rhyming vs. someone not even picking up and looking at a comic book because it stars female ccharacters and not a bunch of guys.

Are you annoyed because you like Etrigan being a rhymer? Because you seem to be taking this to extremes here.

I am annoyed by people posting that it's WRONG or UNFAIR to select comics a certain way.

[MajorHoy]

I am annoyed by people posting that it's WRONG or UNFAIR to select comics a certain way.

Oh, give it up . . . and "wrong" and "unfair" would be two different things in this instance.

It would be unfair to a title to judge it just on the fact that it headlines females. And I haven't accused any specific person of doing that, I'm talking generic, stereotypical "fanboy geeks".

And the fact that you said

The fact that it drives you nuts is icing on the cake.

Etrigan-Underdog for the win!

days before this other issue seemed to annoy you makes it seems as if you're just trying to be annoying to me regardless of this topic.

[kevink31593]

I notice that Batwing wasn't on the list. I guess it'll be sooner or later that it gets cancelled. Sad, I like the character. On second note, I do hope Batgirl and Red Hood continues to fall after the Night of Owls, never really liked the books or the characters so far.

Ok, you don't like those books or characters. But why would you want the books' sales to fall? Other people might love the same books you dislike. What difference does it make to you how they are selling? Just ignore the books you don't like and enjoy the ones you do buy.

For the record, I'm buying and enjoying Batgirl. Probably one of my top 10 fav books right now. I'm not getting Red Hood but I have no ill will for it.

[CaptCleghorn]

Oh, give it up . . . and "wrong" and "unfair" would be two different things in this instance.

Never said they were the same. Both adjectives have been used. I diosagree wioth both of them.

It would be unfair to a title to judge it just on the fact that it headlines females. And I haven't accused any specific person of doing that, I'm talking generic, stereotypical "fanboy geeks".

Yeah, OK, generic, stereotypical, "fanboy" geeks (GSFGs). Are you implying that anyone using character gender as their sole buying criteria is one of those, or that that group selecting are GSFGs?

My point of view is that any criteria a buyer uses is valid. I may not agree with it, but they're buying the book. As for reasons I may not want to read BoP, you obviously have opinions as to whether they are fair or not. For instance:

It's not Gail writing.
I don't like the artist.
The main characters are all females.
The characters are straight.
I'm buying too many comics that week.
I read it in the store and didn't like it.
I'm buying too many comics each month.
There's no Oracle.
It's a DC book.
I dislike the logo styling.

I think anyone would be able to look at these and decide which they agree with or which reasons are less important to them. But they're all fair in that there really is no rule as to what criteria one uses. Are you going to be the person at the comic shop who judges everybody's book selection? It sure sounds like it.

And the fact that you said

days before this other issue seemed to annoy you makes it seems as if you're just trying to be annoying to me regardless of this topic.

Point of correction: this point DOES annoy me, ask Batgirl4444ever. The rhyming issue led me to believe you're a little tightly strung on this comic book thing. But this is a more serious topic and here you're coming off as pretentious as opposed to humorless.

[Cavemold]

In my opinion Gail should of written sucide squad

[Desaad]

None but Batwing are in ANY sort of danger of being canceled, IMHO, not even Birds of Prey. Batman Beyond sells disproportionately in digital since it's digital first, I believe.

Batwing, on the other hand, I feel has a good chance of being canceled. It's doing incredibly poorly for a Batman-line book, though still not as poorly many other books of the 52. The fact that it stars a minority character and it's not really doing that poorly in the grand scheme may save it, but it's status as a Bat-title may actually hurt it (as there are higher expectations for anything with Bat-branding).

I am reading and enjoying it well enough, but I won't be gutted to see it go; frankly I think there are minority characters I'd be more interested in reading about. And I was hoping this was going to be a little more "Priest Black Panther" than "Batman in Africa", which maybe was unrealistic, but I've been disappointed with the relative mundanely mundane plot (although I did like the Kingdom stuff, I just didn't feel it got played as grand as it could have been).

[vampiric_cannibal]

Batwing is gone for near certain. I'd be surprised if it makes it to 20 issues, I'm guessing 15-18 if DC is as slow at cancelling as I think it will be. Batman Beyond and Arkham are digital series so I imagine they're selling a bit better than suggested here, and I doubt they're expected to be best sellers. Red Hood from memory is still doing 30k on Diamond, so thats safe until maybe the 30s or 40s. Batgirl and Nightwing would take successive bad regimes, as the not terribly great ones are still selling well despite quality concerns. But, with higher sale targets, a relaunch or massive shake-up could be on the cards if it drops to 30k even, which is a different concern than cancellation. With characters only having returning to former roles (neither of whom as interesting as their prior ones) I doubt the legacy bearer will change. BoP might get a change up, but I doubt it will get cancelled. Then again, it already has brilliant artists and writer, so maybe the nekulturny casual reader will never buy it anyway unless Gail Simone is on board.

None of the Bruce books are likely to be changed drastically, they sell too well. I would like a book for Steph, Cass and Tim to do stuff in Gotham together, and would not complain at all if Tec was retooled for that, but thats unlikely in the extreme. More Daniels trash is probable.

[osoito]

Ok, you don't like those books or characters. But why would you want the books' sales to fall? Other people might love the same books you dislike. What difference does it make to you how they are selling? Just ignore the books you don't like and enjoy the ones you do buy.

For the record, I'm buying and enjoying Batgirl. Probably one of my top 10 fav books right now. I'm not getting Red Hood but I have no ill will for it.

I noticed this but didnt say anything, a few posters seems to have this attitude. Its very strange. I would love someone to explain it to me. All I can think of is maybe if one books goes down a particular book they like but is struggling has a better chance of continuing. Its not sports or an election where if one team/party does badly it can benefit another.

[kevink31593]

I noticed this but didnt say anything, a few posters seems to have this attitude. Its very strange. I would love someone to explain it to me. All I can think of is maybe if one books goes down a particular book they like but is struggling has a better chance of continuing. Its not sports or an election where if one team/party does badly it can benefit another.

Same here. If you love a book, I can totally understand wanting to get more people to read it so it's sales go up and it sticks around. But wanting a book you dislike or aren't interested in to fail and get cancelled makes no sense to me at all.

[hugglebunny]

I think that Batwing is the only title that is in real danger right now, but maybe Batwing will pick up a few sales with Nightwing guest-starring in July. I hope so at least.

[Jr. Wormwood]

Was kinda hoping Batwing's sales would pick up as I've been enjoying that book. Maybe it has a chance of being absorbed into Batman Inc.? Definitely hope BP sticks around, as I think there's a great dynamic between the characters.