What parts of the Avengers film come from the Ultimate Universe?

[Plawsky]

That's right - another thread related to the Avengers movie. And why not? The movie is awesome!

It has been said many times that the movies draw a lot of inspiration from the Ultimate Universe. In fact, it's this connection that got me started on the Ultimate books (and comics in general, really). However, the movies obviously draws from all sorts of different source material from the past fifty years. But what comes from the Ultimate Universe?

It should go without saying that there are, indeed, SPOILERS! below.


SHIELD

Before Ultimates, SHIELD was a group of spies. Ultimate SHIELD is responsible for preemptively putting together a ragtag group of Earth's Mightiest Heroes to become the Ultimates. This MO is very much like how the Avengers are put together in the film.

Nick Fury

The appearance is an obvious connection. But really, he acts a lot like Ultimate Fury, too. He's in charge of the Avengers, running things from behind the scenes. He's also manipulative, lying to the team about the circumstances of a friend's death to convince them to come together as a team. He's not just in the background of everything, he's leading the fight.

Tony Stark

I'll admit that most of my 616-Iron Man reading has been from the post-alcohol days, but Robert Downey Jr really seems to embrace Mark Millar's playboy Stark from Ultimates. He's very eccentric and rarely seen without a drink in his hand. Though, his origin is clearly not Ultimate.

Captain America

He uses a gun!!!

Hawkeye

The costume is an obvious nod to the Hitch designed Ultimates outfit. He's also seen as Fury's right hand, and he always gets the job done. I'm hoping Avengers 2 has a fingernail scene.

Other bits and pieces:
-The Chitauri. Sure, it was in name only, but it's still from Ultimates.
-Cap's trading cards. Straight from Ultimates.

I'm sure there's some stuff that I'm missing.

[wyokid]

Did Natasha and Clint have a relationship in 616? I'm not really familiar with the 616 versions.

[Morentez]

Hulk being a result of a failed Super-Soldier experiment.

[Codah]

Did Natasha and Clint have a relationship in 616? I'm not really familiar with the 616 versions.

Yeah but it was nothing like it is in the UU. The movie was clearly pulling from the UU on that one.

Hulk being a result of a failed Super-Soldier experiment.

Good call.

I'll go with Cap being Christian. It's probably safe to assume he was one in the early days of 616 but he never said anything like "There's only one god, and he doesn't dress like that". That's pure Millar Cap. Despite the fact that overall, movie Cap is nothing like he is in the UU.

Also, one thing that's very interesting is the fact that through all of these movies, SHIELD has been the constant. SHIELD got all the heroes together, much like the UU. The interesting part is, though, that at the end Tony is constructing Avengers tower and Nick Fury talks about how the heroes will assemble themselves in the future. It's weird/cool how Avengers was almost a farewell to the thing that brought it all together. Obviously Marvel won't let SHIELD just fade away but the Avengers became MUCH more 616-like with the film's ending.

[Sparrowsabre7]

The prayer/memorial board at the end is definitely Ultimate inspired. The forest battle with Thor may have shades of Ultimates 2 influence. The shot of Hawkeye jumping off that building firing an arrow is very reminiscent of that Ultimate Hawkeye cover.

Not from the film but this art book shows heavy Ultimate influence considered for the Avengers costumes, particularly that one of Thor

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=59249

[Balfro]

To expand upon SHIELD, the film started using the Ultimate SHIELD emblem (it was the 616 emblem on the prequels).

[taylor51]

Yeah but it was nothing like it is in the UU. The movie was clearly pulling from the UU on that one.


Good call.

I'll go with Cap being Christian. It's probably safe to assume he was one in the early days of 616 but he never said anything like "There's only one god, and he doesn't dress like that". That's pure Millar Cap. Despite the fact that overall, movie Cap is nothing like he is in the UU.

Also, one thing that's very interesting is the fact that through all of these movies, SHIELD has been the constant. SHIELD got all the heroes together, much like the UU. The interesting part is, though, that at the end Tony is constructing Avengers tower and Nick Fury talks about how the heroes will assemble themselves in the future. It's weird/cool how Avengers was almost a farewell to the thing that brought it all together. Obviously Marvel won't let SHIELD just fade away but the Avengers became MUCH more 616-like with the film's ending.

I dunno, Whedon focused a lot on the "man out of time" angle, and while he may be missing Millar's grit, he's also a soldier through and through, which I feel are the hallmarks of Ultimate Cap (compared to the MU's focus on him being the embodiment of "American" ideals).

[Drz]

The ending is from Ultimates 2, both Feige and Millar have pretty much said that. Captain America (like Codah said) being Christian is very Ultimate, because Marvel is too shy to go religious with 616-verse for Cap and Punisher thesedays.

[manymade1]

Did Natasha and Clint have a relationship in 616? I'm not really familiar with the 616 versions.

They did in the early issues.

[neoblackdragon]

To say Ultimate Nick Fury is manipulative is to ignore how manipulative 616 Nick Fury is. These guys are spies, manipulating people in what they do. Ultimate Nick tends to be more questionable. I don't think the cards are enough seeing as house Coulson told Fury to do something like that.

Tony Stark takes more from the Ultimate verse , though mostly I think it's just RDJ. Stark in the movies doesn't always have a drink in his hand, he's not an alcoholic. Also Iron Man's Ultimate Origin with the brain thing has been tossed out. It's written off as just a bad spanish adaptation of his life.

Captain America uses a gun once in Avengers. Captain America isn't against using firearms when he needs to. Ultimate Cap would kill so easily. The movie verse is pretty much 616. The costume is basically 616 with some updates. Captain America using a gun is not strictly ultimate.

Hawkeye, yep clearly Ultimate and 616 followed it.

Hawkeye and Widow were not romantically involved alright in the movie.

Hulk in the movie verse was not a failed super soldier experiment. Banner was working on making soldiers more resistant to radiation. He was not remotely touched by the serum or even a fail in Ross's eyes. Somehow Banner absorbed the radiation and generated more but it didn't kill him. Blonsky was the failed Super Soldier.

Who hasn't Black Widow been with in the 616 verse?

Cap's god statement? Honestly I think that's simply Steve Rogers being a white guy from the 40's. It's not like Rogers is pulling the A stands for France thing.That statement was not Millar Cap. That's simply a white american from the 40's.


The forest battle I think is a weak connection. It's just a common location for a fight.

It's very likely that the Ultimate Hawkeye cover was inspired by the movie actually during filming.

Cap's ww2 is a mix of the Ultimate costume from ww2 and present in First Avenger. The Avengers uniform is really 616. The defining thing about the Ultimate costume is the shoulders which the Avengers costume lacks.

Widow has always had a checkered past. She's a spy, it's sorta comes with the territory.

Bruce being brought aboard as a scientist is iffy. You really only get Banner for the monster or the brain. Even then I have a feeling Fury wouldn't mind having both. As a connection to the Ultimate verse isn't just not the same.

Loki's long hair? The man has always had long hair but his head garb covered it.


Overall this is a 616 inspired movie but clearly the Ultimate verse was used to update some things and condense other stuff. I think Marvel knowingly made parts of the Ultimate universe be a certain way in order to test it out for the movies.

[wyokid]

To say Ultimate Nick Fury is manipulative is to ignore how manipulative 616 Nick Fury is. These guys are spies, manipulating people in what they do. Ultimate Nick tends to be more questionable. I don't think the cards are enough seeing as house Coulson told Fury to do something like that.

Tony Stark takes more from the Ultimate verse , though mostly I think it's just RDJ. Stark in the movies doesn't always have a drink in his hand, he's not an alcoholic. Also Iron Man's Ultimate Origin with the brain thing has been tossed out. It's written off as just a bad spanish adaptation of his life.

Captain America uses a gun once in Avengers. Captain America isn't against using firearms when he needs to. Ultimate Cap would kill so easily. The movie verse is pretty much 616. The costume is basically 616 with some updates. Captain America using a gun is not strictly ultimate.

Hawkeye, yep clearly Ultimate and 616 followed it.

Hawkeye and Widow were not romantically involved alright in the movie.

Hulk in the movie verse was not a failed super soldier experiment. Banner was working on making soldiers more resistant to radiation. He was not remotely touched by the serum or even a fail in Ross's eyes. Somehow Banner absorbed the radiation and generated more but it didn't kill him. Blonsky was the failed Super Soldier.

Who hasn't Black Widow been with in the 616 verse?

Cap's god statement? Honestly I think that's simply Steve Rogers being a white guy from the 40's. It's not like Rogers is pulling the A stands for France thing.That statement was not Millar Cap. That's simply a white american from the 40's.


The forest battle I think is a weak connection. It's just a common location for a fight.

It's very likely that the Ultimate Hawkeye cover was inspired by the movie actually during filming.

Cap's ww2 is a mix of the Ultimate costume from ww2 and present in First Avenger. The Avengers uniform is really 616. The defining thing about the Ultimate costume is the shoulders which the Avengers costume lacks.

Widow has always had a checkered past. She's a spy, it's sorta comes with the territory.

Bruce being brought aboard as a scientist is iffy. You really only get Banner for the monster or the brain. Even then I have a feeling Fury wouldn't mind having both. As a connection to the Ultimate verse isn't just not the same.

Loki's long hair? The man has always had long hair but his head garb covered it.


Overall this is a 616 inspired movie but clearly the Ultimate verse was used to update some things and condense other stuff. I think Marvel knowingly made parts of the Ultimate universe be a certain way in order to test it out for the movies.

THANK YOU! Glad to know I'm not alone!

[John Zaleski]

Did Natasha and Clint have a relationship in 616? I'm not really familiar with the 616 versions.

Her second appearance in 616 was starting a relationship with hawkeye.

[toddx77]

-The cage Loki was put in by SHEILD is the same type of cage Bannar was put in after his Hulk Rampage in Ultimates 1
-Loki's long hair
-The council was not in the Ultimate comics but in the Ultimate Avengers animated movie they were in it
-The government at the end wanting to control the Avengers and questioning them seemed similar to the governments control of super powered beings in the Ultimate universe

[wyokid]

-The cage Loki was put in by SHEILD is the same type of cage Bannar was put in after his Hulk Rampage in Ultimates 1
-Loki's long hair
-The council was not in the Ultimate comics but in the Ultimate Avengers animated movie they were in it
-The government at the end wanting to control the Avengers and questioning them seemed similar to the governments control of super powered beings in the Ultimate universe

The government wanting to control the Avengers is straight up 616.

[DoctorOak]

-The cage Loki was put in by SHEILD is the same type of cage Bannar was put in after his Hulk Rampage in Ultimates 1

An Asgardian being placed in a SHIELD prison designed for the Hulk is also pretty much right out of Ultimates 2 - except this time, it's Loki instead of Thor, and everyone else gets to taunt him. (On that note, I always saw the scene in Thor, after he fails to retrieve the hammer, as pretty much as close an adaption to that part of Ultimates 2, where Thor is defeated and imprisoned, and Loki appears to only him to play with him, as we're ever likely to get).