Captain America out of character in AvX?

[Kieran_Frost]

Considering how many mutants that have exsisted for the last few years and Cyclops disregard for basic orders, Cap's under no obligation to believe that the joining of the Phoenix and Hope will result in the flourishing of Homo-superior. That plan could backfire and then eveyones doomed. Finally, remember it was a mutant who started all of this.

Really? REALLY? She was AN AVENGER!!! One Cap refused to negotiate for. REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE!!! And when the Avenger decimated an entire race... did Cap even say sorry? Or care? This is EXACTLY what I mean. He doesn't negotiate, he doesn't give others (who are telling him they "can't contain Wanda much longer") the benefit of better knowledge. He's a class A hypocrite!

[John Ossie]

Well, from X-Sanction we know that if Hope isn't there to save the earth, it's becomes a wasteland. Cable knows that, and I think he told Cyclops

He did tell Cyclops.

Cable doesn't know what he's talking about. His brain's been ravaged by the techno-virus. In between him attacking Avengers and Cyclops doing the same I'm not sure mutants are going to allowed back on the planet when (if) things settle down.

But Hope had cleared (or seemed to anyway) the techno virus at the point where he was telling Cyclops about it, just saying but his mind seemed fine in that scene.

Nonetheless, he's acting like a mad man to get his point across.

True especially that rather childish remark about ''now that we have our own saviour they want to take her away'' I was half expecting a wah-wah-wah moment from Cyclops after that.

[Kieran_Frost]

This is what happens when the roles are reversed, when the X-men come to the Avengers home and debate (actual debate, not "I brought my whole army, but I just want to talk, honest... no, really" debate). Cap says no. He makes it clear it's none of their business. Yet when the shoe is on the other foot? WHAT A MASSIVE HYPOCRITE!!!

[mikekerrIII]

Cap and his men did not "attack" first. It was Cyclops who pulled the first visible shot. It then required a show of force on Caps end. Cap's been at war much longer than Scott could even imagine and it is not Cap's way to have people die on his watch. And, it this case it's Earth's people - human and mutants alike. Where is Scott's conrcen for the human race? It isn't there. Magneto must be so proud.

Showing up armed to demand custody of someone based on bad inter and no valid authority but your own hubris is an attack. HJe was given the chance to leave.

Cap has been at war about four years longer than Scott has, that in not more than Scott can imagine

Scott just disagrees with Cap on the best way to control the PF, But at least he seems to grasp what the PF is and how idiotic Caps plan is.

[mikekerrIII]

In this scenario Cyclops should have no reason to distrust Cap. Seeing as how Hope would probably give them problems, the government (or Cap, a friend) would likely contact you for guidence on the matter, especially if there has been little to no results by the time the Phoenix is has made it. They'd likely let Cyclops do whatever he needs to do with Hope as a last recourse. I believe Cyclops would be the first to contact on these matters. He should have handed the girl over. The stakes are too great.

So Cyke should have let the clueless take control of the girl and endangered the Earth in the process?

[mikekerrIII]

Cap really has been fighting longer. Sorry man, but those are the facts regarding this work of fiction.

Cap fought from 1941 until 1945 , outside of that Cyke has been fighting just as long. Where do those other years of fighting come from?

[Jake V]

Really? REALLY? She was AN AVENGER!!! One Cap refused to negotiate for. REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE!!! And when the Avenger decimated an entire race... did Cap even say sorry? Or care? This is EXACTLY what I mean. He doesn't negotiate, he doesn't give others (who are telling him they "can't contain Wanda much longer") the benefit of better knowledge. He's a class A hypocrite!

He was saying no to killing Wanda. She was already in the custody of Xavier and Magneto, who aren't Avengers.

Cap isn't suggesting killing Hope.

[mikekerrIII]

One thing you're forgetting: Cap does not want Hope and the Phoenix to join under any circumstances. And the government has been anything but kind to the mutants. They have no reason to trust them. And their plans are in direct opposition to each other. And yes, when your negotiations are "give me want I want, or I'll take it" that's schoolyard bully, even if you ask nicely.

Look at Caps team and his liaisons, Cyke has plenty of reasons to distrust the Avengers

[mikekerrIII]

Cap isn't suggesting killing Hope.

For all intents and purposes he is doing nothing at all to help earth or help Hope. At least nothing he plans has any chance of doing so.

His plan does involve making sure the Mutants remain a dying species and ensuring that if the PF comes to Earth, not for Hope the World is defenseless.

[Wren]

Well, from X-Sanction we know that if Hope isn't there to save the earth, it's becomes a wasteland. Cable knows that, and I think he told Cyclops

I thought that was all a lie by Blaquesmith to save Cable's life or something like that? Hope knows that. The whole pretext for the fight was BS. Unless I'm mis-remembering.

Unfortunately Hope is an idiot so she didn't tell anyone else.

For all intents and purposes he is doing nothing at all to help earth or help Hope. At least nothing he plans has any chance of doing so.

the space Avengers had a decent chance actually. So far they've done more to help than any of the X-Men, despite their lack of experience/information.

[infernohara]

I thought it was OOC for Cap to yell out that the X-men were his prisoners. Then Quicksilver says the same thing in Avengers Academy, yet Cap says they aren't. WTH? I thought it was pretty crazy tossing Logan out of that plane, but with Brubaker's explanation it makes a bit more sense. Logan looked like he was out for the kill shot on Cap afterall.

[mikekerrIII]

the space Avengers had a decent chance actually. So far they've done more to help than any of the X-Men, despite their lack of experience/information.

What Chance in space, against A force that can travel instantaneously if it chooses to? What if it come to Earth first?

[Wren]

I thought it was OOC for Cap to yell out that the X-men were his prisoners. Then Quicksilver says the same thing in Avengers Academy, yet Cap says they aren't.

Quicksilver was talking about the X-kids. Cap was talking about the X-Men. The first are presumed innocent so he's actually trying to protect them from the fighting, hence protective custody... the second are actual combatants and therefore get taken prisoner.

What Chance in space, against A force that can travel instantaneously if it chooses to? What if it come to Earth first?

Same chance that Wolverine or Emma Frost had to kill Wanda but no one blasted them for wanting to do it anyway.

And whatever you say, on the page, Beast clearly thought it had a decent chance of working, and they WERE able to intercept it.

[Voulge]

I just wanted to add about throwing Wolverine out of a plane.

Wolverine is a dangerous beast when he is going in combat mode, you really do not want someone accidently clawed by one of his bloodrage frenzied rages.

[Viteh]

Same chance that Wolverine or Emma Frost had to kill Wanda but no one blasted them for wanting to do it anyway.

And whatever you say, on the page, Beast clearly thought it had a decent chance of working, and they WERE able to intercept it.

Well, Beast is an x-man too. He was able to do it because of the DPS encounter (x-men event). Besides, the X-Men never really got a chance to plan against the phoenix.

Emma Frost could probably kill Wanda if she caught her offguard, in fact anyone could really. Like Wanda said in ACC, you are still human even if you have the lifeforce.