Me too. Especially the White Queen. Her acting was so bad it was almost the sole reason I didnt nap out a few times. Ive never understood the love for that movie. The only X-Man movie that sucked more would be Wolverines solo story in my opinion.
Considering how well Marvel Studios did with building up the Avengers movie from Iron Man to Captain America, I'd love to know how they'd handle an X-Men movie. Just a shame Fox still has the rights.
Holding out for a Peter/Miles team up.
X-Men as a movie franchise tries too hard to be other things...a soap opera, a political commentary, or a human rights metaphor. It forgets what it's really about...people with powers saving the world.
The comics have had years, and dozens of story arcs, to work in all these disparate elements at once. The movies tried to condense all that into two-hour segments. The first one did all right, but was light on the action. The second was a better balance, but still left a few characters out of the spotlight. The third tried to be all things to all people and just ended up a mess.
The X-Men movies need to have some fun injected into them. Audiences need their escape, and superhero movies are supposed to provide that. Avengers succeeded at that, by mixing good action, snappy dialogue (Whedon's forte), fun interactions, and character drama in relatively equal parts. You cared about these people, and admired them.
I'd love an X-Men movie that made audiences do that.
I probably hate the Avengers more than anybody on these boards, but I had more fun with the Avengers movie than I've had with any movie in years - and that sadly includes the borefest that the X-Men movies subjugated audiences to.
I thought the first three X-Men movies were okay but not really that great.Could have and should have been a hell of alot better then what they were.Plus both Cyclops and Rogue were used horribly and were badly cast.
But X-Men;First Class was actually a really good movie,and one of my favorite super hero movies to date.Yes it doesn't really follow the comicbook universe or even worse the first three films.However it had the heart and soul feel that the comics gave me and both Fassbender and McAvoy did a hell of a job as Magneto and Xavier.
I would like for the Fist Class version of the films to continue and for them to make it its own set of movies and universe a part for the first three lackluster films.
Then hopefully years down the road Marvel and Disney get the rights back to the X-Man franchise and due a really proper and faithful version of the films with the 05 as the first cast.
First Class had a better plot IMO than Avengers and I think Fassbender and McAvoy are stronger actors than the male leads in Avengers with the exception of RDJ. That helped the story seem tighter and stronger for me at least. Avengers is much larger than life though and the action and effects showed this. But the two movies aren't really comparable. The X-Men in First Class weren't trying to be heroes they were trying to carve out an existence for themselves. The threat was global but in the end it was still about mutant visibility and rights. The X-Men have always been more about survival and fighting prejudice than saving the world. If the world gets saved it is usually just a by product of the larger theme of fighting anti mutant sentiment.
I agree that the plot may have been better in First Class, but I think much of that is just due to the Avengers having a lackluster rogues gallery and dealing with shallow plot threads in general. As far as villains, the Avengers simply don't have the more charismatic (or just hands-down cool) threats that the X-Men have to warrant more interesting plots.
Also, because the X-Men are a franchise with 50 years of continuity and the most diverse collection of heroes and villains - there just isn't an excuse anymore as to why the X-Men should not have the same spectacle of a movie that the Avengers now have. Why does a movie have to sacrifice action for dialogue, or vice versa? The Avengers had both? Why not the X-Men?
I really like First Class (enough to warrant a ticket and a blu-ray purchase), but that is probably more because of the lack of options and the bad taste that all the previous X-Men movies left.
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At first I completly hated the X-Men movies because they screwed with all the details, but when I saw what they were doing with their other franchise to build their own movie-verse I kind of came to terms with it like how Ultimate-verse is different from 616 and all those other parallen universes. Not the only thing which REALLY buggs me about the x-movies is that they can't even stay true to their own continuity. From one movie to the next there are way too many contradictions. X-Men First Class (though i thought the plot was ok even though they somehow made Shaw a Nazi) kind of topped everything with contradicting itself:
Magneto just taking the helmet of the man he hated his whole life
Mystique having only had Charles as family leaving with Magneto when Charles lays there fatally wounded?
Ok, the class was a seemingly random cast as opposed to the actual First class, except for Beast. But that "Angel". They already had angel in a movie so they come up with the stripping lovechild of angel and Pixie?
Seriously hoping for a reboot, and if they don't want first class, they should start with the school like the did in X1 (without screwing it over again).
As for the question of this thread: I think they don't bother too much with making a "decent" movie, because it'd be very hard to get through all the material without being a hardcore fan. The entire X-Verse with its history the thousand characters etc is incredibly complex and hard to pick from compared to Spiderman for example. The other reason I think is that they don't really *need to*. Superhero-movies don't depend on their fandoms that much and I guess especially X-Men since a lot of people can just go and watch the movies for actors like Hugh Jackman and loads of special effects guaranteed by the diverse powersets fo random characters.
Seeing The Avengers really showed me how much potential the X-Men movie franchise has that Fox isn't tapping at all. It's kind of disappointing in some ways because I'm a fan of the good X movies.
The action, teamwork between characters, banter, etc are aspects that I would love to see in a X film. Those same aspects are the defined traits that make The X-Men so great in the comics.
Marvel really hit the nail on the head and with the mega success the movie is getting, I hope Fox takes notice.
Avengers was really overrated, but it's a nerd's wet dream. First Class was better.
This is gonna be my answer to everything now but they need Joss Whedon to write an X-men origins movie, from what ive read he's a big X fan and he had that run on Astonishing x-men, i think he'd be perfect.