Movie Avengers vs. Movie X-Men

[Jonathan8572]

As if Thor couldnt win this by himself. Or Iron Man. And maybe Hulk.

[K Von Doom]

% chance goes up even if they lose. makes it more competting for the Avengers team, FIght would go on longer. I dont know why thats so hard to understand.

Thor & Hulk vs Phoenix & X-Men = X-Men lose
Thor & Hulk vs Jean & X-Men = X-Men lose faster

Their % chance of winning is already 0 for both scenarios. Faster doesn't change the outcome.

If you stand in front of a freight train, you're going to die. Putting 10 people ahead of you will increase your lifespan by 0.1 seconds but your chances of survival is still 0%. Your chance for survival has not increased by delaying the inevitable.

[Deadman25]

Their % chance of winning if already 0 for both scenarios. Faster doesn't change the outcome.

If you stand in front of a freight train, you're going to die. Putting 10 people ahead of you will increase your lifespan by 0.1 seconds but your chances of survival is still 0%. Your chance for survival has not increased by delaying the inevitable.

Why would u think their chance of winning would be 0 ? if you really believe thats their chance of wining then why even post in the thread and report it as spite ? They have a telepath and someone who can do some serious damage with their eyes. Even though they are going to lose they still have a % chance of winning even though the Avengers chance is much higher.

for example Team red has a 2 out of 10 chance winning against team Blue. Team red traded a team player for another player thats more experienced. their chance goes up. Even if the red team is still going to lose, the game would last a little longer and chance of winning goes up.

[MorphyVSFischer]

There are plenty of threads here where someone posted a fight where someone had zero chance and it wasn't intentionally spite. For example a while ago someone did wolverine vs Flash which wolverine had zero percent chance of winning, but no one reported spite because it's little melodramatic. Obviously he just feels phoenix makes little difference. Which she does. Saying she'll do more damage as Phoenix is just schematics and being difficult. The accusations of us being biased doesnt help you either

[big_adventure]

Good point, speed of thought beats any physical move or voice command from stark.

This is a silly statement - the "speed of thought" is slow, and Thor and Hulk have much faster physical reactions than Jean/Phoenix does.

OTOH, I back up Deadman25's statement - at the end of X3, when Phoenix gets drawn into the fight, the army unloads a TON of shots on her. She catches all of them, then turns them around. It's kind of the standard TK/matter manipulator BT-ish reflexes. Magneto has done this kind of stuff as well in the films, and he and a lot of TK types have pulled this off in comics repeatedly.

[Deadman25]

There are plenty of threads here where someone posted a fight where someone had zero chance and it wasn't intentionally spite. For example a while ago someone did wolverine vs Flash which wolverine had zero percent chance of winning, but no one reported spite because it's little melodramatic. Obviously he just feels phoenix makes little difference. Which she does. Saying she'll do more damage as Phoenix is just schematics and being difficult. The accusations of us being biased doesnt help you either

How is saying Her doing more damage as phoenix is being difficult when its a fact ? Whats wrong with making things more competting against the team thats already going to win ? Makes things more interesting and challenging.

PS. Logan has a small % of winning. all it would take is one stab. The odds of that are extremely low, but flash can still be killed by him if he were to get stabbed. but yeah i say its sill spite.

[Deadman25]

This is a silly statement - the "speed of thought" is slow, and Thor and Hulk have much faster physical reactions than Jean/Phoenix does.

OTOH, I back up Deadman25's statement - at the end of X3, when Phoenix gets drawn into the fight, the army unloads a TON of shots on her. She catches all of them, then turns them around. It's kind of the standard TK/matter manipulator BT-ish reflexes. Magneto has done this kind of stuff as well in the films, and he and a lot of TK types have pulled this off in comics repeatedly.

You have to think before you react. someones powers that comes from the mind would have better speed feats than someone that has to control a suit. even with voice.

[MorphyVSFischer]

How is saying Her doing more damage as phoenix is being difficult when its a fact ? Whats wrong with making things more competting against the team thats already going to win ? Makes things more interesting and challenging.

PS. Logan has a small % of winning. all it would take is one stab. The odds of that are extremely low, but flash can still be killed by him if he were to get stabbed. but yeah i say its sill spite.

Except it's ultimately irrelevant if they still lose so yes its being deliberately difficult.
There is literally no chance of wally west losing to wolverine ever. He moves faster the light. Wolverine simply can't stab him. This is also ignoring the fact A) Wally can turn intangible to avoid it. And B) he can speed steal wolverine so he couldn't get close anyways. So yeah some fights are zero percent. And again that thread wasn't spite the guy was just ignorant. It happens

[Cthulhu_of_R'yleh]

How is saying Her doing more damage as phoenix is being difficult when its a fact ? Whats wrong with making things more competting against the team thats already going to win ? Makes things more interesting and challenging.

PS. Logan has a small % of winning. all it would take is one stab. The odds of that are extremely low, but flash can still be killed by him if he were to get stabbed. but yeah i say its sill spite.

Logan has a 0% chance of winning, especially since he has to be able to touch him.

[Deadman25]

Except it's ultimately irrelevant if they still lose so yes its being deliberately difficult.
There is literally no chance of wally west losing to wolverine ever. He moves faster the light. Wolverine simply can't stab him. This is also ignoring the fact A) Wally can turn intangible to avoid it. And B) he can speed steal wolverine so he couldn't get close anyways. So yeah some fights are zero percent. And again that thread wasn't spite the guy was just ignorant. It happens

Explain the downfall with adding someone more powerful to a team thats going to lose that can help them out more ? Would you rather read an Avengers vs X-men comic book where the X-men go down easy or would you atleast want some competition even though Avengers team is going to win, Make things more interesting? get it ?

I like to even things out. I dont just post in threads ok this guy or this team wins. I use my imagination and try to see the picture for the other side and lay out a story even though I already know who is going to win.

[Deadman25]

Logan has a 0% chance of winning, especially since he has to be able to touch him.

if wally trips and falls down while charging at Logan, Logan can make a move from there. The odds of Logan laying a claw on Wally is low, but it is never 0% unless its impossible for the other person to lose. Maybe logans odds would be 1-3 % but not 0.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

if wally trips and falls down while charging at Logan, Logan can make a move from there. The odds of Logan laying a claw on Wally is low, but it is never 0% unless its impossible for the other person to lose. Maybe logans odds would be 1-3 % but not 0.

The odds of Logan ever hitting Wally is 0% actually.
And if she is unable to harm the people, she is unable to harm them. Period.
That is why it remains 0%.

As for the other stuff, I still cannot find a clip of it and I want to see the scene again.. :/

[Guy1]

If you stand in front of a freight train, you're going to die. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLRNYIT42ig

[MorphyVSFischer]

if wally trips and falls down while charging at Logan, Logan can make a move from there. The odds of Logan laying a claw on Wally is low, but it is never 0% unless its impossible for the other person to lose. Maybe logans odds would be 1-3 % but not 0.

So your argument is literally plot contrivance? The thing that is against the rules of this forum?
Also yes some fights are zero percent. I can think of even more clear cut examples. Does batman have a one percent chance against Thanos?

[Deadman25]

The odds of Logan ever hitting Wally is 0% actually.
And if she is unable to harm the people, she is unable to harm them. Period.
That is why it remains 0%.

As for the other stuff, I still cannot find a clip of it and I want to see the scene again.. :/

Phoenix unable to harm the people ? Ok this isnt going anywhere, apparently people just want to be difficult and turn this into a competition isntead of a understanding. nobody jumped on the OP for adding jean to the team saying she cant harm anyone. OH but Phoenix sure as hell cant.