Movie Avengers vs. Movie X-Men

[Deadman25]

Except that no one is putting you down.
And I have repeatedly said it is fine with the Phoenix in the fight.
In fact, I am all for it. No one is mad that the Phoenix was brought up. They just all know that she does not help in the slightest.

a version of a character that can banish people and have control over objects and more powerful telepath, plus bullet timing speed does not help the slightest ?

[Deadman25]

Dude, before you feel that there is some kind of massive "forum against you" thing going on, check my record and see how many times I have argued way longer against way more people than this.
Neo v Dr. Manhattan for example. And many, many others. And I still did not think that they forum was against me.
And that lasted for a long, long time.
And I even won a few people over.
Why? Because what I said actually had something backing it. Even if it could be disputed.
In your case you are literally saying that the odds go up without any evidence that they are any better.
At best you can argue that she possibly kills more people before Thor or Hulk stomps the dogshit out of her like they do everyone else.

ive provided evidence by explaing her abilities and her feats.

you guys dont want to communicate just want to turn this into a battle towards me. Good night

[Syrile Demonthyst]

again putting words in my mouth, I never said she would harm Thor or Hulk. X-men lose with or wihtout Jean. like you said before their chances go up with her. thats all I had to say. not sure why this has to keep going on. cant settle this like men and move on. has to keep going in circles.

Except that I did not agree their chances went up. Because they do not go up at all.
Her existence in this fight is completely useless. It has no actual help here except perhaps killing more of the enemy in a best-case scenario.
Even if they take it down to just Thor and Hulk it does not help in the slightest. No actual chance of winning is created there.
Thor can solo this.
Hulk can solo this.
And thus, no amount of murder on Iron Man matters in the slightest.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

a version of a character that can banish people and have control over objects and more powerful telepath, plus bullet timing speed does not help the slightest ?

ive provided evidence by explaing her abilities and her feats.

No, it does not help in the slightest when those abilities are not capable of causing even the slightest bit of harm to the two primary reasons why the X-Men lose, regardless of if she exists or not.

[MorphyVSFischer]

You only thing someone is wrong just cause a majority of the others are on that person. thats called harassment. try finding threads that you enjoy.

If a majority of people are on that person its for a reason. If I claimed Harry potter was more powerful then drive strange a great many people would be on my case to prove that.
Secondly harassment. Really. Lets review. You are on a forum no one forces you to be on, on a thread no one forces you to post in, repeatedly making accusations of trolling when no one has insulted you personally. Harrasment?

[AdvsnveBushido]

I think the X-men can take this. Jean, Storm and Cyclops can pretty much when the fight by themselves. Adding Nightcrawler and Rouge to mix is icing on the cake.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Ok Deadman25, let me try it this way.
I want to see things from your point of view.
Lets say that Phoenix has BT Reflexes and opens up the fight and is actually able to take out everyone except Thor and Hulk.
Then what happens?

[Syrile Demonthyst]

I think the X-men can take this. Jean, Storm and Cyclops can pretty much when the fight by themselves. Adding Nightcrawler and Rouge to mix is icing on the cake.

Hmmm...
Interesting.
Based on? :)

[MorphyVSFischer]

this is not a dream, your typing in real life are you not ?

Facepalm. It's completely irrelevant to bring it up as a point of debate, other then as a statement of the obvious

[Cthulhu_of_R'yleh]

I go and make myself tea, and two pages spring up. Jeeze. You'd think the answer wasn't blatantly obvious by now. Deadman, no one is out to get you. We're arguing a point we 'know' is wrong. That's how debating a match goes. Morphy joining in doesn't mean we're out to troll you. Man.

[big_adventure]

I just went back and rewatched the end of X3 (my eyes, MY EYES!!!!!) and the relevant fast reaction scene is at 1 hour, 30 minutes. After Mags is put down, the army rises up behind Jean, who is looking at Logan and Hank. Logan and Hank start shouting "No, No!" but the stupid army doesn't listen, and they open fire with cure weapons. The darts do not seem to be bullet-speed - you can track their flight with your eyes - but they are quite fast. She catches every dart without looking (so it's not "aim-catching"), then disintegrates them. She then flies up and starts wasting people. So, looking at it again, you can't quite give "mental BT" status, since she never catches a bullet, but you'd have to give "mental CBPH+ / Ringer" speed. It also places her no faster than Thor.

In combat, her feated flight speed is pathetic, she shows no ability to dodge physically, and she shows no feats remotely approaching stopping inbound Mjolnir (which ragdolled Hulk when he tried it - the same Hulk that rodeo-grabbed one of those multi-thousand ton Chitauri snakes and dragged it out of the sky, the same Hulk that stopped/killed a moving snake-ship with a punch). He power on flesh never hurts anyone more durable than a baseline human, and never does it to anyone more than 100 feet or so away.

So - she's powerful, she's scary, and she does nothing whatsoever to change the outcome of this fight. She doesn't change the percentages - it's 100% Avengers. Sure, the squishies MIGHT die, if we don't allow for Thor to kill multiple X-types on his first hammer throw. I don't know why we wouldn't allow that, since Thor has exactly that feat in his own movie.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

I just went back and rewatched the end of X3 (my eyes, MY EYES!!!!!) and the relevant fast reaction scene is at 1 hour, 30 minutes. After Mags is put down, the army rises up behind Jean, who is looking at Logan and Hank. Logan and Hank start shouting "No, No!" but the stupid army doesn't listen, and they open fire with cure weapons. The darts do not seem to be bullet-speed - you can track their flight with your eyes - but they are quite fast. She catches every dart without looking (so it's not "aim-catching"), then disintegrates them. She then flies up and starts wasting people. So, looking at it again, you can't quite give "mental BT" status, since she never catches a bullet, but you'd have to give "mental CBPH+ / Ringer" speed. It also places her no faster than Thor.

In combat, her feated flight speed is pathetic, she shows no ability to dodge physically, and she shows no feats remotely approaching stopping inbound Mjolnir (which ragdolled Hulk when he tried it - the same Hulk that rodeo-grabbed one of those multi-thousand ton Chitauri snakes and dragged it out of the sky, the same Hulk that stopped/killed a moving snake-ship with a punch). He power on flesh never hurts anyone more durable than a baseline human, and never does it to anyone more than 100 feet or so away.

So - she's powerful, she's scary, and she does nothing whatsoever to change the outcome of this fight. She doesn't change the percentages - it's 100% Avengers. Sure, the squishies MIGHT die, if we don't allow for Thor to kill multiple X-types on his first hammer throw. I don't know why we wouldn't allow that, since Thor has exactly that feat in his own movie.

Actually, since she is not even looking it just further supports my theory that she was either putting up a telekinetic shield, or that she was reading their minds and blocked them that way.
Neither are anywhere near as impressive as CBPH speeds to be honest.
In fact, similar darts Captain America has been fully capable of avoiding in droves from fully-auto weapons, being completely surrounded. In the comics, I mean.

[big_adventure]

Well, it's just as likely that she's telekinetically in touch with everything around her, and therefore sensed the inbound darts. When she was a kid, she never looked outside when she picked up all of the cars in the street, and made the water in the hose float upward. And she wasn't just universally applying a lifting force, since the people didn't leave the ground - just the cars, water, etc.

It didn't look like the darts were stopped by a "shield", since they were all caught, and without breaking, diverting or smashing. They are at one moment flying in at a few hundred FPS, then they are floating in air, then she disintegrates all of them.

Hell, even if she caught them all by reading minds, there were perhaps hundreds fired inside of 2 seconds - that alone is past CBPH. Not physical CBPH, just that sort of nebulous mind-worker quickness.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Well, it's just as likely that she's telekinetically in touch with everything around her, and therefore sensed the inbound darts. When she was a kid, she never looked outside when she picked up all of the cars in the street, and made the water in the hose float upward. And she wasn't just universally applying a lifting force, since the people didn't leave the ground - just the cars, water, etc.

It didn't look like the darts were stopped by a "shield", since they were all caught, and without breaking, diverting or smashing. They are at one moment flying in at a few hundred FPS, then they are floating in air, then she disintegrates all of them.

Hell, even if she caught them all by reading minds, there were perhaps hundreds fired inside of 2 seconds - that alone is past CBPH. Not physical CBPH, just that sort of nebulous mind-worker quickness.

Eh...
It seems very unlikely that she has that type of speed, seeing as how everything else seems to be against that.
Either way, it really is only important in comparing her to Tony.
The feat is too easy to read different ways in my opinion.

[big_adventure]

Eh...
It seems very unlikely that she has that type of speed, seeing as how everything else seems to be against that.
Either way, it really is only important in comparing her to Tony.
The feat is too easy to read different ways in my opinion.

In any case, it doesn't matter at all for this fight - she could have high-end BT thought speed, and it wouldn't matter in the slightest against Thor and Hulk.