Does Wolverine owe Bishop an apology?

[remydat]

If you have special technology from Dr Doom (he hasn't created it yet), you can go into the past to change the future. It was a plot point in X-Factor. Cortex was using it to travel to the past to kill the grandparent and parents of important figures in the Summers Rebellion in Bishop's future. It's called a Doomlock.

Again, why would it not be more accurate to say you can change the future that you perceive? If there are an infinite number of universes, why wouldn't there be one out there where nothing changed but you simply don't know that because your frame of reference (your timeline) changed and so you assume that means you ended that reality when in fact you didn't? Your subjective finite reality changed but the objective infinite realities did not.

[xhx23x]

Since stabbing Phoenix Host is not a sure way to kill them, I'm going with no. Wolverine just wants to stab the girl, he doesn't know what it will do, but it'll satisfy his needs.

[Dr. Sonic]

First off, Wolverine doesn't need to apologize to anyone for anything. He stabs things. That's what he does, You'd be better off trying to get a dog to apologize for barking.

Secondly, The marvel universe doesn't ascribe to any one, singular theory of quantum physics - it all differs dependent on the individual writer and the story that he or she wants to tell.

[remydat]

Secondly, The marvel universe doesn't ascribe to any one, singular theory of quantum physics - it all differs dependent on the individual writer and the story that he or she wants to tell.

Precisely which makes it all convoluted and inconsistent bullshit. I simply have no qualms about saying so.

[darknessatnoon]

Since stabbing Phoenix Host is not a sure way to kill them, I'm going with no. Wolverine just wants to stab the girl, he doesn't know what it will do, but it'll satisfy his needs.

No wonder Jean was always afraid of him.

[The Black Guardian]

Bishop will always be wrong.

[Regino]

Does a dumb person have to apologize for being dumb? Wolverine is a moron. Ever since he devolved into a beast, he has been sooo dum it hurts. He doesn't understand what being hypocritical even means, and not like he should. I luv people who are like, "You're a hypocrite." My reply always is, "I don't care."

[Kurolegacy]

For all we know, by the end of all of this, everyone's gonna owe Wolverine an apology. Though the fact that the PF makes it to its host not even half way through the event, chances are Murphy's Law will rear its ugly head.

[Ian Pressman]

Since stabbing Phoenix Host is not a sure way to kill them, I'm going with no. Wolverine just wants to stab the girl, he doesn't know what it will do, but it'll satisfy his needs.

Stabbing should be able to do the trick. The Phoenix powerset doesn't seem to include advanced healing, otherwise Jean would have been able to recover from Xorn making her brain go 'pop-snap.' Awesome defenses against being harmed, sure. But no answer for mortal injury.

*edit*

Huh. Just had a fridge moment here. If Jean, sorry, her phoenix duplicate, was capable of flying into a star and feeding on it, doesn't that mean that the phoenix would already have a natural defense against electromagnetism? Stars generate electromagnetic energy naturally. Magneto is strong, but he can't match the energy output of a frickin' sun, can he? So how did he cause Jean to have a stroke?

[sweetdumbass]

Since you mention Morrisson run, i assume you read it ? Including the part where Logan did stab her and then they crashed into the sun. And then there is Endsong where she gets stabbed agin, multiple times, and always comes back. So yeah, not sure what Logan is trying to accomplish here...

[mikekerrIII]

Stabbing should be able to do the trick. The Phoenix powerset doesn't seem to include advanced healing, otherwise Jean would have been able to recover from Xorn making her brain go 'pop-snap.' Awesome defenses against being harmed, sure. But no answer for mortal injury.

The problem is that they have no reason to stay dead unless they or the PF chooses for them to. Death doesn't mean much to the PF.

[Jabare]

Bishop spent a whole 17 years of his life trying to murder Hope in order to prevent a tragedy from coming to pass.



In Messiah War, Wolverine and his lackey's aided Cable and stopped Bishop from ending Hope's life.



Now Wolverine has switched sides and believes that Bishop was right and that Hope needs to die in order to prevent a tragedy from coming to pass.



Does Wolverine need to apologise to Bishop? Should there be a Wolverine and Bishop ongoing that spins out of AvX? Is it cruel that Wolverine has allowed Hope to live for 17 years and now when she's finally finding herself and enjoying life he's coming to take that all away?

yeah Wolverine absolutely needs to apologize. AvX is just a big fat stinking sign that Cab;e was right all along, but the X-men were to blind and pigheaded to see the truth

[Sighphi]

Bishop killing Hope =WRONG.
Wolverine killing Hope =Right.

I guess because the baby NEEDED to understand how much she is going to mess up the world.

[Dr. Sonic]

A matter that needs to be kept in mind within this whole discussion is the fact that there was no indication that Hope was going to become or host the Phoenix in later life. All she was to Wolverine and the other X-Men was the first mutant birth following M-Day. The Phoenix was not a part of the equation at this point and I don't recall that Bishop said anything to this effect during his attempt to kill the infant.
Then it turned out that Hope could recalibrate the powers of mutants whose x-gene was suppressed (The Lights). SAo for a while there, everything seemed great and it looked as though Hope was going to be the key to repopulating the Mutant race. But them, after only a few glimmering moments foreshadowing the event, Hope became the clear, or apparently clear host to the Phoenix Force, racing through space, destroying whole planets, on a b-line toward earth. Whereupon Logan decided that he needed to kill Hope (the arrangement they made together months ago).
Wolverine's plan is stupid, really stupid. But does he owe Bishop an apology? No. Maybe if he had explained to Logan and the others that Hope was destined to become the Phoenix, and that this would somehow doom the Mutants to a terrible future, maybe then he'd have a foot to stand on in all this. But he didn't and no apology is due.

That said. Bishop is cool and his fans deserve his return and some sort of turn of events that will allow him to be a hero again.

[ExodusCloak]

If you have special technology from Dr Doom (he hasn't created it yet), you can go into the past to change the future. It was a plot point in X-Factor. Cortex was using it to travel to the past to kill the grandparent and parents of important figures in the Summers Rebellion in Bishop's future. It's called a Doomlock.

You are correct, I forgot about that story. That story was linked to Messiah Complex too. Further showing it's possible and the X-writers/editors intentions.

Stabbing should be able to do the trick. The Phoenix powerset doesn't seem to include advanced healing, otherwise Jean would have been able to recover from Xorn making her brain go 'pop-snap.' Awesome defenses against being harmed, sure. But no answer for mortal injury.

*edit*

Huh. Just had a fridge moment here. If Jean, sorry, her phoenix duplicate, was capable of flying into a star and feeding on it, doesn't that mean that the phoenix would already have a natural defense against electromagnetism? Stars generate electromagnetic energy naturally. Magneto is strong, but he can't match the energy output of a frickin' sun, can he? So how did he cause Jean to have a stroke?

Nope stabbing won't work, Wolverine slit Celeste's head in half, she healed instantly.

The Phoenix allowed it to happen, it wanted Jean to die so she can be reborn in HCT and disinfect the timeline.