Is it time for another wonder woman related book

[slvn]

I'm as liberal as you can get, but even I don't buy that. Tell me those countries have a better record than us when a Korean runs Japan, a Turk is German chancellor, or any colonial is elected Prime Minister in England or France.

Of course, a German or a British person could say "tell me the U.S. has a better record on gender equality when a woman is elected to head their government."

[Outside_85]

Huh, didnt know that about the UK and it's prisons.
Anyway, i dont think you can be elected as a Prime Minister of a country if you arent from that country. Who will vote for you? Or is Obama not an American?

Well Donald Trump tried for the longest of time to prove Obama was from Indonesia or Kenya...something Obama quite heavily spoofed about a year ago. Had he been right btw, Obama would have had to resign since only a person born in the US can be president...which is what stopped some people from wanting Arnold to run :)

and all that. To be honest I couldnt say much about Japan, but countries like Sweden, Finland, or hell... even Italy (it's economic status means nothing)... i would consider them above the US in all those issues.

Isn't lobbyism great? :)

What is this, a Media Matters forum? America is the single greatest nation God ever created!

Strange, I thought it was tectonic plates and sea levels that created that continent? Learn something new every day :)

[Dr. Hurt]

Fair enough; in some European countries colonials are considered citizens -- it's one of the ways the French tried to keep their empire, by making the colonies part of "metropolitan France" -- it's why French Guiana and a couple of Caribbean islands are still what they are. Other European nations don't even consider children of foreigners born in that country to be citizens -- here, that's still considered a fringe and stupid idea. Not sure why that speaks well of Europe and not us.

Go ask the Chinese, Koreans and Taiwanese what they think of their good neighbor Japan -- you'll learn every Asian curse you can imagine. I was shocked to learn from my Greek roommate in college that the word for black people in Greece literally translates as "coalies". The casual racism in Europe is incredible, but in large parts of it, it is mostly an abstract concept -- people of a different race actually living with you is not something you see outside of the largest of cities in Sweden, Finland, Norway, even the Netherlands. The nations with actual multi-ethnic populations make Mississippi look enlightened.

Most of the other things you cite as US faults -- all of which I agree are wrong -- are things that we learned from the playbook written by Germany, Britain, France and Russia as to how great powers behave. And those nations would behave that way still, if they were in our position. (Leave the Israelis out of it for the moment; that conflict is akin to abortion in its inability to allow civil discussion.)

I won't presume to address Australia -- we Aussie posters here who can do that -- but I would consider Canada as a possible better -- except I hear a lot of complaining from Canadians that they just rubber-stamp whatever the US does. Don't think there's been a female PM in Ottawa, either, FWIW.

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Every country has it's good and it's bad. However there's only one country that claims to be the bastion of everything good and gave itself the right to forcefully act on behalf of others.

As for the Asians and Japan, i've heard that too. I guess it has to do with the fact that Japan has invaded, enslaved and milked the Asian mainland countless times, and is more advanced and rich that any country in said mainland. So I dont blame them. Japan has it's fair share of atrocities in this history.

Being greek myself, i just looked up the word you referred to in a dictionary. It said it's origin is from the word "Arab". I'm not saying it's a good word or anything, but it's not as offensive as the n word because here in greece we never had these issues. We didnt have slaves and all that. But i wouldnt say we're too racist here. We're just swamped with illegal immigrants from Asia and Africa, since we're at the border of europe, so there's some discomfort about that.

As for Australia, i've heard the best things about it, so...

[Dr. Hurt]

Well Donald Trump tried for the longest of time to prove Obama was from Indonesia or Kenya...something Obama quite heavily spoofed about a year ago. Had he been right btw, Obama would have had to resign since only a person born in the US can be president...which is what stopped some people from wanting Arnold to run :)

I'm suspecting he had some personal interests on the matter of who got to be President.

Isn't lobbyism great? :)

What do you mean?

[americanwonder]

When did this become the "Bash America" thread? It's not like it's hard to find plenty of dirt on our neighbors. No racial problems in Paris? Russia is the beacon of democracy? Isn't much of Japan still in denial regarding Nanjing?

These are not "perfect" countries. Dirt can be found everywhere.

Just as good can be found everywhere.

So I don't see a big problem with Diana moving to a flawed country.

[americanwonder]

Every country has it's good and it's bad. However there's only one country that claims to be the bastion of everything good and gave itself the right to forcefully act on behalf of others...

We're not unique in this. Wasn't France attacking Lybia before we got involved? Many countries still use force to "act on behalf of others." Besides, didn't you just complain that we're not involved in Syria? Isn't that a contradiction?

As for Australia, i've heard the best things about it, so...

Not sure all the Aborigines would agree with this statement.

[Reginleif]

Every country has it's good and it's bad. However there's only one country that claims to be the bastion of everything good and gave itself the right to forcefully act on behalf of others.

As for the Asians and Japan, i've heard that too. I guess it has to do with the fact that Japan has invaded, enslaved and milked the Asian mainland countless times, and is more advanced and rich that any country in said mainland. So I dont blame them. Japan has it's fair share of atrocities in this history.

Being greek myself, i just looked up the word you referred to in a dictionary. It said it's origin is from the word "Arab". I'm not saying it's a good word or anything, but it's not as offensive as the n word because here in greece we never had these issues. We didnt have slaves and all that. But i wouldnt say we're too racist here. We're just swamped with illegal immigrants from Asia and Africa, since we're at the border of europe, so there's some discomfort about that.

As for Australia, i've heard the best things about it, so...

I guess if you ignore that nations history of genocide Australia seems like a cool place. Sure stealing the children of Aboriginal families is not as grand as German concentration camps, but the Aussies are probably one of the last Western nation to forcibly exterminate a people, a program which continued continued until 1970. Nevertheless, I suppose its not as bad as Japan though, a country that is still regarded as a highly bigoted nation, especially against Korean and Chinese nationals, but also its indigenous people, the Ainu. Let us not forgot Scandinavia to who during the 60's and 70's forcibly sterilized Romani and also institutionalized bigotry against children of German Danish/Scandinavian heritage because they were the product of Nazi occupation.

[Dr. Hurt]

When did this become the "Bash America" thread? It's not like it's hard to find plenty of dirt on our neighbors. No racial problems in Paris? Russia is the beacon of democracy? Isn't much of Japan still in denial regarding Nanjing?

These are not "perfect" countries. Dirt can be found everywhere.

Just as good can be found everywhere.

So I don't see a big problem with Diana moving to a flawed country.

Just dont treat it like the typical "OMFG America best country evah" crap. Like how in some WW origin the Amazons sent her there because the US is closer to their perfect standards.

[Dr. Hurt]

We're not unique in this. Wasn't France attacking Lybia before we got involved? Many countries still use force to "act on behalf of others." Besides, didn't you just complain that we're not involved in Syria? Isn't that a contradiction?

Well i dont mind forceful action to stop a war or killings, or whatever. I do mind it when it's done for control, politics, financial reasons, resources, etc.

Also, yeah i forgot about the Aborigines. Thanks A.Wonder and Steve.

[americanwonder]

Just dont treat it like the typical "OMFG America best country evah" crap... Like how in some WW origin the Amazons sent her there because the US is closer to their perfect standards.

Because, "EVERYONE IN EUROPE IS BETTER" is so not "crap"?

Given the time period of her original origin, I think being very Pro-America is very understandable.

[Dr. Hurt]

Because, "EVERYONE IN EUROPE IS BETTER" is so not "crap"?

Except people in EU dont think they're this super advanced society that looks down on everyone.

Given the time period of her original origin, I think being very Pro-America is very understandable.

True. Just dont keep doing it is all i'm saying.

[americanwonder]

Well i dont mind forceful action to stop a war or killings, or whatever. I do mind it when it's done for control, politics, financial reasons, resources, etc.

I don't like it either, but those are always involved. Russia invading Georiga wasn't for selfless reasons.

... Also, yeah i forgot about the Aborigines. Thanks A.Wonder and Steve.

Um, you're welcome. I don't want to sound like I'm bashing Australia (or other countries like Russia, etc), just pointing out that every country has problems they struggle with.

[BeccaBlast]

Every country has it's good and it's bad. However there's only one country that claims to be the bastion of everything good and gave itself the right to forcefully act on behalf of others.

As for the Asians and Japan, i've heard that too. I guess it has to do with the fact that Japan has invaded, enslaved and milked the Asian mainland countless times, and is more advanced and rich that any country in said mainland. So I dont blame them. Japan has it's fair share of atrocities in this history.

Being greek myself, i just looked up the word you referred to in a dictionary. It said it's origin is from the word "Arab". I'm not saying it's a good word or anything, but it's not as offensive as the n word because here in greece we never had these issues. We didnt have slaves and all that. But i wouldnt say we're too racist here. We're just swamped with illegal immigrants from Asia and Africa, since we're at the border of europe, so there's some discomfort about that.

As for Australia, i've heard the best things about it, so...

Currently that country is us -- not so long ago, it was Russia, Germany, Japan or any of the colonial powers. We are the inheritors of a long and nasty tradition -- and if the Chinese do become pre-eminent, it will just take them back to what they consider THEIR historical and national prerogative.

Good to know that Gregorios wasn't just feeding me a line -- I wonder if the Greek attitude towards immigrants is anything similar to Arizona's -- can police there demand your papers just because of the way you look? That misbegotten piece of crap is being argued before the Supreme Court -- would it be even debated in Europe?

As for Australia (or New Zealand, with or without the boomerang fish act), I know that it has many of the same factors that America did -- less advanced indigenous population and a bunch of Europeans moving in absolutely certain they were God's choice to improve the place. I can't believe that worked well -- but I'll leave that for brett or others to address, if they care to.

[americanwonder]

Except people in EU dont think they're this super advanced society that looks down on everyone.

That's a BIG blanket statement. And, ironically, seems to be looking down on Americans, no?

True. Just dont keep doing it is all i'm saying.

Hasn't been a part of her story in quite some time now, has it?

[Gaelforce]

<ahem>

<points to the title of the thread>

<nudges it back on track>

Not that I don't find the discussion fascinating, but it's gettin' a wee bit off WW ;)