Is it time for another wonder woman related book

[Reginleif]

Action Comics is set in the past
Detective Comics should be set in the past
Sensational Comics will also be set in the past

[MajorHoy]

Action Comics is set in the past
Detective Comics should be set in the past
Sensational Comics will also be set in the past

Action Comics was set in the past for the first arc, just like Justice League was.

Now, Action Comics won't necessarily be set in the past unless Morrison wants to do another arc in the past.

(And, by the way, setting a second book in the past could create some conflicts for Azzarello and Chiang because it would set some limits on what past events they could create / tell about in Wonder Woman.)

[Reginleif]

Action Comics was set in the past for the first arc, just like Justice League was.

Now, Action Comics won't necessarily be set in the past unless Morrison wants to do another arc in the past.

(And, by the way, setting a second book in the past could create some conflicts for Azzarello and Chiang because it would set some limits on what past events they could create / tell about in Wonder Woman.)

I know in both cases. Also the earlier one could be a traditional approch to WW with her traditional gallery and such

[slvn]

This is probably off topic, but do you really think a superheroine would be persuaded to align herself with the United States today, based on its commitment to democracy, justice, and equal rights for women?

I think she was always "aligned" more with the country's ideals than with some of its actual practices. After all, when Wonder Woman came to America in the forties, racist Jim Crow laws and customs were still in place in many states. If the original Diana Prince had been Nubia, she would have had to ride in the back of the bus. And as for gender equality, how many Supreme Court Justices, congressmen, Senators, cabinet members, CEOs, university presidents, doctors and lawyers, etc. were women at that time? I'm not saying that we should be self-congratulatory or pretend that there aren't deep problems now, but we shouldn't over-idealize the past either, right? (I don't mean that anyone here was over-idealizing the past; Steve, I notice you said "at least [the U.S.A.'s ideals] seemed to compare well with Nazism," and I agree with that, of course!)

[MajorHoy]

This is probably off topic, but do you really think a superheroine would be persuaded to align herself with the United States today, based on its commitment to democracy, justice, and equal rights for women?

Well, it's in better shape on those issues than several other countries.

What countries do you think is significantly fairer on all three issues?

[Dr. Hurt]

Well, it's in better shape on those issues than several other countries.

What countries do you think is significantly fairer on all three issues?

Every country in Europe. Canada. Japan...

[jack-be-nimble]

I think she was always "aligned" more with the country's ideals than with some of its actual practices. After all, when Wonder Woman came to America in the forties, racist Jim Crow laws and customs were still in place in many states. If the original Diana Prince had been Nubia, she would have had to ride in the back of the bus. And as for gender equality, how many Supreme Court Justices, congressmen, Senators, cabinet members, CEOs, university presidents, doctors and lawyers, etc. were women at that time? I'm not saying that we should be self-congratulatory or pretend that there aren't deep problems now, but we shouldn't over-idealize the past either, right? (I don't mean that anyone here was over-idealizing the past; Steve, I notice you said "at least [the U.S.A.'s ideals] seemed to compare well with Nazism," and I agree with that, of course!)

Now that would be a provocative and impactful "Elseworld"/Multiverse/Earth-whatever reboot for Wonder Woman. Or, maybe that's what Nubia's (Earth 23(?)) origin story might be?

jBn

[SteveGus]

Every country in Europe. Canada. Japan...

Pretty much what I was thinking.

[Tori Pagac]

I would kill for a lighter book, a Sensation Comics where Diana beats up Mouse Man and jokes with Etta Candy and has dates with Steve Trevor.

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[Reginleif]

Every country in Europe. Canada. Japan...

[BeccaBlast]

Every country in Europe. Canada. Japan...

I'm as liberal as you can get, but even I don't buy that. Tell me those countries have a better record than us when a Korean runs Japan, a Turk is German chancellor, or any colonial is elected Prime Minister in England or France. We have a debate in the US when the government grabs people and throws them in secret prisons - -in the UK it's considered legal.

ETA: After all, we learned racism and slavery from somewhere -- I'm pretty sure that was a gift from our European background.

[Dr. Hurt]

I'm as liberal as you can get, but even I don't buy that. Tell me those countries have a better record than us when a Korean runs Japan, a Turk is German chancellor, or any colonial is elected Prime Minister in England or France. We have a debate in the US when the government grabs people and throws them in secret prisons - -in the UK it's considered legal.

Huh, didnt know that about the UK and it's prisons.
Anyway, i dont think you can be elected as a Prime Minister of a country if you arent from that country. Who will vote for you? Or is Obama not an American?

I do know that there was a big deal out of Obama's religion, as if that factors in his administration skills
The fact that people called free heathcare socialism, thinking that it's some devilish cult, but mostly not knowing what it means
War for oil
Quantanamo
The patriot act
liberating nations with bombs, then not caring about Syrian protestors being massacred by the government
enabling Israel's bullying politics towards its neighbours

and all that. To be honest I couldnt say much about Japan, but countries like Sweden, Finland, or hell... even Italy (it's economic status means nothing)... i would consider them above the US in all those issues.

[petesake]

There's things America does better than European countries and things it does worse, of course.

I think calling the US number 1 is pretty arrogant and kind of foolish though. There's very little we're number 1 at.

[Reginleif]

There's things America does better than European countries and things it does worse, of course.

I think calling the US number 1 is pretty arrogant and kind of foolish though. There's very little we're number 1 at.

What is this, a Media Matters forum? America is the single greatest nation God ever created!

[BeccaBlast]

Huh, didnt know that about the UK and it's prisons.
Anyway, i dont think you can be elected as a Prime Minister of a country if you arent from that country. Who will vote for you? Or is Obama not an American?

I do know that there was a big deal out of Obama's religion, as if that factors in his administration skills
The fact that people called free heathcare socialism, thinking that it's some devilish cult, but mostly not knowing what it means
War for oil
Quantanamo
The patriot act
liberating nations with bombs, then not caring about Syrian protestors being massacred by the government
enabling Israel's bullying politics towards its neighbours

and all that. To be honest I couldnt say much about Japan, but countries like Sweden, Finland, or hell... even Italy (it's economic status means nothing)... i would consider them above the US in all those issues.

Fair enough; in some European countries colonials are considered citizens -- it's one of the ways the French tried to keep their empire, by making the colonies part of "metropolitan France" -- it's why French Guiana and a couple of Caribbean islands are still what they are. Other European nations don't even consider children of foreigners born in that country to be citizens -- here, that's still considered a fringe and stupid idea. Not sure why that speaks well of Europe and not us.

Go ask the Chinese, Koreans and Taiwanese what they think of their good neighbor Japan -- you'll learn every Asian curse you can imagine. I was shocked to learn from my Greek roommate in college that the word for black people in Greece literally translates as "coalies". The casual racism in Europe is incredible, but in large parts of it, it is mostly an abstract concept -- people of a different race actually living with you is not something you see outside of the largest of cities in Sweden, Finland, Norway, Austria, even the Netherlands. The nations with actual multi-ethnic populations make Mississippi look enlightened.

Most of the other things you cite as US faults -- all of which I agree are wrong -- are things that we learned from the playbook written by Germany, Britain, France and Russia as to how great powers behave. And those nations would behave that way still, if they were in our position. (Leave the Israelis out of it for the moment; that conflict is akin to abortion in its inability to allow civil discussion.)

I won't presume to address Australia -- we have Aussie posters here who can do that -- but I would consider Canada as a possible better -- except I hear a lot of complaining from Canadians that they just rubber-stamp whatever the US does. Don't think there's been a female PM in Ottawa, either, FWIW.

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