Buffy vs Captain America

[Siriel]

Also wasn't she rolling around at blur speed when fighting Caleb at least in one of their fights?

It's more that Caleb became much slower for a few episodes.

But yes, she was presented as faster than a normal person pretty consistently. And her high-end speedfeats are well above Cap's in reflexes.

[chilled monkey]

Buffy has her scythe as standard.

Going OT for a second; does anyone else really hate that they keep calling it a scythe when it looks nothing like a scythe. It's an axe!

She also killed hundreds of Turok-Han. I know that gets shrugged off because they were nameless fodder (the old reverse ninja rule), but that shouldn't be any more the case for Buffy with the Turok-Han as it is with Cap and the Chitauri. I mean, we at least saw what ONE Turok-Han was capable of when the first one came alone.

Yes we saw what ONE Turok-Han could do. And yet in the final battle, Giles, Xander, Anya, Dawn, Mr. Wood and Andrew are able to fight off and kill droves of them. So Buffy killing a bunch of "those" Turok-Han (i.e. shown to be far weaker than the original one) really isn't that impressive.

Sorry, but that really bugged me. I can buy that the Slayers all being empowered at once may have given them a huge surge in confidence and strength, allowing them to mow down Turok-Han like cannon fodder, but regular humans doing it? I just thought it marred what was admittedly still an awesome climactic battle.

I love Cap in the MCU, but Buffy beats him going by his current showings.

I have to agree with that. Comic version of Cap would be a different story, but movie version not so much.

Well, when they upped the budget for the final episode (which really was the first time she'd ever had to run particularly fast or jump long distances), she showed that she can outrun a speeding bus and was jumping from rooftop to rooftop..

Beg your pardon but wouldn't that be a case of SM VS. FL? Seeing as it only happened once and was inconsistent with previous showings.

Her agility is pretty decent. .

True.

[big_adventure]

Sounds good to me.

[big_adventure]

Yes we saw what ONE Turok-Han could do. And yet in the final battle, Giles, Xander, Anya, Dawn, Mr. Wood and Andrew are able to fight them off and kill them. So Buffy killing a bunch of "those" Turok-Han (i.e. shown to be far weaker than the original one) really isn't that impressive.

Sorry, but that really bugged me. I can buy that the Slayers all being empowered at once may have given them a huge surge in confidence and strength, allowing them to mow down Turok-Han like cannon fodder, but regular humans doing it? I just thought it marred what was admittedly still an awesome climactic battle.

I'm pretty sure that bugged everyone. As KJ mentioned, it's the "Conservation of Ninjutsu" philosophy that is hyper-prevalent in fiction. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Conservation%20of%20ninjutsu

[Tomzilla]

I'm undecided. Captain America's shield and Buffy's scythe are standard gear, right?

On one hand, Buffy's a better fighter (by a very small margin, mind you) and has better reflexes. She's about as durable as Cap'n, maybe a little more.

On the other, Captain America's a little stronger, has better damage soak (after getting shot down by a Chitauri energy weapon, which are far more powerful than the handgun that would've killed Buffy, Captain America got right back up and kept fighting), and has a better weapon.

This is a really good fight. It's a very close one.

[Siriel]

Beg your pardon but wouldn't that be a case of SM VS. FL? Seeing as it only happened once and was inconsistent with previous showings.

I can't really recall any scene that shows Buffy running at full speed and her being shown as slower than that.

[dkostus]

I mean, she caught a sword being plunged directly at her, by Angelus, who has some level of enhanced strength and speed, between her hands. She clearly has superhuman reflexes and speed.

Also, Tomzilla, when you say Buffy's a little more durable but Cap has better damage soak, that confuses me. aren't they the same thing? and she seems to have more consistent showings of taking huge hits from superhumans directly to the body, no shield and no body armor.

[Holacik]

I mean, she caught a sword being plunged directly at her, by Angelus, who has some level of enhanced strength and speed, between her hands. She clearly has superhuman reflexes and speed.

Also, Tomzilla, when you say Buffy's a little more durable but Cap has better damage soak, that confuses me. aren't they the same thing? and she seems to have more consistent showings of taking huge hits from superhumans directly to the body, no shield and no body armor.

No durability means the ability to tank hits.

Damage soak is the amount of damage a person can take and keep going.

For example, Spider-man has way better durability than the Punisher, Punisher however has better damage soak.