What Did You Think Of "The Avengers?"

[listenuscrewheads]

The time it's made has no pull on whether somethings dated or not. All those movies listed, regardless of the fact that half of them take place in the future/distant past, aren't dated because they don't have pimps in purple suits saying "That is a baaad out FIT!" when the protagonist appears.

I had a discussion on whether Superman TM had dated, and the only aspect of the film that was brought up as evidence was that line from the pimp.
edit: and in actual fact, the poster who brought it up was joking, he said that the line was dated because 'no-one calls each other Jim nowadays', he agreed with me that the movie was not dated. The other poster who claimed it dated brought up no valid evidence, reffering to cosmetic details such as the type of cars, clothes etc...which is ridiculous, as, y'know, it is set in the 70s, lol.

It's funny you should say those other films did not have such a scene, because Harvey Kietel's turn as a pimp in Taxi Driver is the quinnessential 70s cliche too.

and as for what another poster was saying about Lex being a comedy act, yes, he was funny, but he was also deadly. He also surrounded himself with far less intelligent henchmen because there was far less chance of him being betrayed by them. You can have comedic deadly villans that can be taken seriously, the Joker was one too remember. Just look at how Kevin Spacey's Lex turned out when they did the same incarnation, but removed the comedic aspect, he was dull. It is a valid interpretation of Lex Luthor.
I don't see much about the film that is dated.


Anyway, not to take this too far offtopic, so back to the Avengers...

He's much better at adding depth to a character through his dialogue. I particularly liked the bit Stark said about the Hulk actually saving Banner by helping him survive the gamma blast, and the bit about Banner despairing and trying to commit suicide and the Hulk spitting out the bullet.

That bit about Hulk spitting out the bullet, I was the only person in the cinema who burst out laughing at that, haha. I'm not sure if that was a reference to the deleted scene from TIH. You see him pulling a gun out, from his pov, and then it cuts to the artic cliff shaking as he turns into the Hulk, don't recall a gunshot though, but the Hulk defo showed up to prevent the suicide.
I only saw the deleted scene once on youtube.

[smhoulihan]

The shot of them all together for the first time will most assuredly be looked upon as iconic. In that shot, it's the culmination of four years of work on the part of Marvel Studios and many years on the part of superhero films in general. Everything seems to have been another step towards that one circle shot. And Banner's line right before hand is one of the best lines in a superhero movie ever.

These are good examples. Yes, nothing like The Avengers has been attempted before, so the film, in that respect, is a game changer. And Banner's line is powerful because it speaks volumes about his character.

But most of what Lord Bravery listed (Hulk hulking out, Thor calling down thunder, the tracking shot) are just cool moments that give the audience some nice eye candy, but don't add any weight or context to the story.

Richard Donner, when directing Superman, seemed like he wasn't as concerned about giving the audience some cool moments, as he was with telling a really good story.


Ebert's just a person like you or me. If he says a movie is bad, it doesn't mean I have to think so. And vice versa. You can't award opinion.

"You can't award opinion." Actually, you can. There's a big difference between just an opinion and an informed opinion.

Ebert is the first critic to win a Pulitzer Prize. Ebert wrote the screenplay to the cult classic Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. Ebert's wrote over 15 novels about film. Ebert reviewed films for 30 years on television. And Ebert has taught classes and analyzed films with large audiences and students at events, like his annual Ebertfest, for years.

I'd take his opinion over some random fanboy commenting on a message board.

[smhoulihan]

I had a discussion on whether Superman TM had dated, and the only aspect of the film that was brought up as evidence was that line from the pimp.
edit: and in actual fact, the poster who brought it up was joking, he said that the line was dated because 'no-one calls each other Jim nowadays', he agreed with me that the movie was not dated. The other poster who claimed it dated brought up no valid evidence, reffering to cosmetic details such as the type of cars, clothes etc...which is ridiculous, as, y'know, it is set in the 70s, lol.

It's funny you should say those other films did not have such a scene, because Harvey Kietel's turn as a pimp in Taxi Driver is the quinnessential 70s cliche too.

and as for what another poster was saying about Lex being a comedy act, yes, he was funny, but he was also deadly. He also surrounded himself with far less intelligent henchmen because there was far less chance of him being betrayed by them. You can have comedic deadly villans that can be taken seriously, the Joker was one too remember. Just look at how Kevin Spacey's Lex turned out when they did the same incarnation, but removed the comedic aspect, he was dull. It is a valid interpretation of Lex Luthor.
I don't see much about the film that is dated.


Anyway, not to take this too far offtopic, so back to the Avengers...



That bit about Hulk spitting out the bullet, I was the only person in the cinema who burst out laughing at that, haha. I'm not sure if that was a reference to the deleted scene from TIH. You see him pulling a gun out, from his pov, and then it cuts to the artic cliff shaking as he turns into the Hulk, don't recall a gunshot though, but the Hulk defo showed up to prevent the suicide.
I only saw the deleted scene once on youtube.

Great point about Harvey Keitel and Taxi Driver. Like the dialogue in King Kong and Apocalypse Now has stood the test of time. Superman isn't any more dated than any other movie.

And I didn't know that deleted scene existed in The Incredible Hulk. I'm going to have to check that out. Sounds interesting.

[RockinRobin182]

I had a discussion on whether Superman TM had dated, and the only aspect of the film that was brought up as evidence was that line from the pimp.
edit: and in actual fact, the poster who brought it up was joking, he said that the line was dated because 'no-one calls each other Jim nowadays', he agreed with me that the movie was not dated. The other poster who claimed it dated brought up no valid evidence, reffering to cosmetic details such as the type of cars, clothes etc...which is ridiculous, as, y'know, it is set in the 70s, lol.

It's funny you should say those other films did not have such a scene, because Harvey Kietel's turn as a pimp in Taxi Driver is the quinnessential 70s cliche too.

and as for what another poster was saying about Lex being a comedy act, yes, he was funny, but he was also deadly. He also surrounded himself with far less intelligent henchmen because there was far less chance of him being betrayed by them. You can have comedic deadly villans that can be taken seriously, the Joker was one too remember. Just look at how Kevin Spacey's Lex turned out when they did the same incarnation, but removed the comedic aspect, he was dull. It is a valid interpretation of Lex Luthor.
I don't see much about the film that is dated.

Sound logic. I don't want to get into details. I love Superman: The Movie. I was mainly replying to the sarcastic assertion that if a movie is dated then all others that came before it are dated. All depends on how you define the word, I guess...

"You can't award opinion." Actually, you can. There's a big difference between just an opinion and an informed opinion.

Ebert is the first critic to win a Pulitzer Prize. Ebert wrote the screenplay to the cult classic Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. Ebert's wrote over 15 novels about film. Ebert reviewed films for 30 years on television. And Ebert has taught classes and analyzed films with large audiences and students at events, like his annual Ebertfest, for years.

I'd take his opinion over some random fanboy commenting on a message board.

Actually, you can't. Ebert can tell you how technically good a movie is, but whether or not he enjoyed it is a different story. Something can be technically good but, depending on the person, might be unenjoyable to them. I do not doubt his knowledge of film. But if someone is a master of film, and hates westerns, are they still going to like a well-made western? Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on the individual.

And those are some tough words coming from...someone commenting on a message board...way to call me a fanboy though. I was having a conversation and you had to bring insults in. Were you offended someone didn't like Ebert? Actually, don't answer that. I'm done with this since if you're going to throw out insults (fanboy? really? on a comic book website?) it shows me it's going nowhere.

[40yearoldnovafan]

I loved the Avengers, but had issues. My wife said it was the worse movie experience she ever had. She loves Marvel movies - but could not concentrate on the Avengers. Why - too many freaking children!

These were babies and kids who were not even watching the movie. They were having their own little romper room sessions. And their parents could not even control them. I noticed some parents trying to shush the kids, but it did not work. They were too freaking young. I kid you not, some guy came in and saved 10 to 15 seats in two rows. He was in my row with his lady and some kids, and some of the other kids in their party were in front of the parents. Before their entire party showed up, people kept sitting in the saved seats, and the idiot guy would tell them they had to move.

It sucked!

The movie was great, but we could not completely enjoy it. This soured my wife's entire enjoyment.

[DoctorMidnite]

In the scene on the mountain, Loki asks Thor how much "dark matter" Odin had to use to send Thor to Midgard. That is how Thor returns to Earth.

[The Once And Forever]

That bit about Hulk spitting out the bullet, I was the only person in the cinema who burst out laughing at that, haha. I'm not sure if that was a reference to the deleted scene from TIH. You see him pulling a gun out, from his pov, and then it cuts to the artic cliff shaking as he turns into the Hulk, don't recall a gunshot though, but the Hulk defo showed up to prevent the suicide.
I only saw the deleted scene once on youtube.

It's also a reference to a comic where a sniper shot Bruce Banner in the mouth, only to end up with the Hulk having a bullet smashed against his teeth.

[Bret]

I thought Stan Lee's part was underutilized. I really expected a bigger part for him than just a quick end scene video clip. His scene in Thor still tops them all in my opinion.

[numberthirty]

Was I the only one bugged by:

spoilers:

The totally obvious Independence Day rip-off?

end of spoilers

[Serik]

I'm calling it right now: you-know-who is brought back in IM3, either during the movie or post-credits, using the Extremis serum. (IM3 will supposedly be based on Extremis.)

[riffraff]

And who was that waitress and why did she get 3 scenes?!?

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-...172437386.html

[xnef1025]

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-...172437386.html

Thought that was her. Weadon is well known for reusing favorite actors in bit, and sometimes more than bit, parts. Enver Gjokaj, also from Dollhouse, showed up as the second cop that didn't speak when Cap was organizing the police.

[smhoulihan]

And those are some tough words coming from...someone commenting on a message board...way to call me a fanboy though. I was having a conversation and you had to bring insults in. Were you offended someone didn't like Ebert? Actually, don't answer that. I'm done with this since if you're going to throw out insults (fanboy? really? on a comic book website?) it shows me it's going nowhere.[/QUOTE]

Part of me feels like I should apologize, but another part of me feels like you need to grow a spine.

I was making a blanket statement that I have much more faith in Roger Ebert's opinion over an anonymous commentator on a website (which, in your world, seems like an impossibility, because in your world, I guess, a person can't be an authority and have credentials that will make them more capable of judging a given subject than another person).

In no way was I addressing you. If you took it that way, than I apologize.

However, for the sake of argument, let's say I was calling you a fanboy. Is fanboy really that insulting a term? You make it sound like I hurled the most damning insult in the English language.

Jesus, man, grow up.

[Alex]

I loved the Avengers, but had issues. My wife said it was the worse movie experience she ever had. She loves Marvel movies - but could not concentrate on the Avengers. Why - too many freaking children!

These were babies and kids who were not even watching the movie. They were having their own little romper room sessions. And their parents could not even control them. I noticed some parents trying to shush the kids, but it did not work. They were too freaking young. I kid you not, some guy came in and saved 10 to 15 seats in two rows. He was in my row with his lady and some kids, and some of the other kids in their party were in front of the parents. Before their entire party showed up, people kept sitting in the saved seats, and the idiot guy would tell them they had to move.

It sucked!

The movie was great, but we could not completely enjoy it. This soured my wife's entire enjoyment.

We got a babysitter, because parents who bring young children to movies either know exactly what's going to happen when you expect a kid to sit silently for 3 hours, or you are a horribly stupid parent.

[Green Lantern wannabe]

Was I the only one bugged by:

spoilers:

The totally obvious Independence Day rip-off?

end of spoilers

I don't think it was all rip-off, because there were other things not in Independence Day, like the personality clashes between the heroes and issue with Loki and his brother.

And Avengers didn't? With the way SHIELD used the Tesseract to build nukes instead of using it as a "warm light for all of mankind"? And what about the scene in Germany where Loki says we "crave subjugation" and the old German guy who was obviously around during Hitler's reign?

See i think a lot of people are overlooking the layers of Avengers simply because of all the pizazz.

Yes, with all the pizzaz, they didn't have time to develop the theme of SHIELD using the Tesseract to build nukes instead of saving the world.