What Did You Think Of "The Avengers?"

[Simbob4000]

See my comparison of her introduction to the introductions of Hawkeye and Black Widow in other films... that's what I'm getting at, it's the same kinda thing.

Black Widow had a pretty good size role in Iron Man 2, and she does stuff, it isn't the same. But Hawkeye, yeah, he didn't do anything in Thor, his part could have been dropped and it wouldn't have matter...but, his role is so small it doesn't really matter, he was just one of a few random Shield guys in that movie.

And yes, they COULD have had Coulson NOT oversee the equipment transfer, and had him do the chase... but SHIELD is more than just Nick Fury and Phil Coulson (and Hawkeye and Black Widow, okay). Spreading the action love is a GOOD thing for a big organization like that, and establishing a new character is nice to do, considering hardly anyone was established as 'new' in the Avengers aside from the Chitauri, the Other, and--post-credits--Thanos. An argument could be made for Banner, too, as he's not exactly the same as in the Incredible Hulk, but it's part of the same movieverse so technically he's 'already been introduced'.

Yeah, we know it's a bigger organization than those four characters, we see Shield agents walking around all over the place. It would have been better if Hill was that Shield agent that was mind controlled with Hawkeye, that way she could have at least been set up in the movie, disappeared from the movie until after the helicarrier attack, we could see her maybe do something cool during the attack, and it would have sold her as being important enough for Loki to take. She could also still do all the same stuff with Fury after Coulson was gone that way.

Phil got some great moments, great lines, and got a nice badass moment when he blasts Loki through a wall. That's not bad. Maria got a badass moment when she attempted to chase down Hawkeye, the doctor, and Loki while the base was about to collapse. That's not bad, either. It set her up as another go-to agent. And I doubt she was written in to steal Coulson's thunder... as his replacement, perhaps (that's what she essentially becomes, but may not be what she was conceived to be when they were talking about what characters to put in the film), but I doubt they went through the script and said "Y'know what? We should assign 50% of Coulson's lines to Hill instead." Why not Black Widow? Coulson could've been sent to retrieve Banner, to try to talk him into helping SHIELD, and had a scared gun-draw moment when Banner slams the table and yells "Stop lying to me!". It wouldn't have really affected the other BW scenes, her retrieval call from her interrogation (it'd just be a 'come on home' call instead of 'we need you to go get Banner' call), and being trapped when Banner's about to Hulk-out would still work for her.

He got one action moment at his end, and then they try selling you on his dead being this huge thing. For that to work you kind of need to spend more time with the character, you don't split the time with another character (who fills the same role) when you're trying to build to something within the story with one of them.

It not that she steals his thunder, it's that she takes up time and comes off as useless. Whedon should have been able to see: oh, I'm trying to do this thing, maybe I let the audience hung out with this guy a bit more. How do I do that? Oh, this Hill character's stuff could be Coulsons. Why not Black Widow? Black Widow is one of the main characters in the movie, and that scene helps establish her and what happens later with her and the Hulk. Hill is just kind of there not doing anything.

[kane]

Sorry but Coulson is not an important character.

There´s half a dozen comic fans who like him, but to the vast majority of moviegoers he´s just another suit.
Trade him with Galaga guy and they wouldn´t even notice the difference.

He is a character that connects all the Marvel movies together. And he had a bigger role in the Thor movie, in which his character was very likeable and competent. And do not forget "A funny thing happened on the way to Thor's hammer"

[Buried Alien]

I also enjoyed Dr. Banner's dry, understated humor: he arrives on the scene in New York City to rendezvous with his fellow Avengers, and seeing the city under siege by marauding alien hordes, remarks, "Well, all this seems quite horrible."

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[The Once And Forever]

Yet you could have had the exact same movie without his appearance in the credits, so his appearance was not needed until a further installment. Just as Maria Hill's appearance in a further installment will undoubtabley be more high profile, so it's better to show her in this first installment. It will make more sense when she has more to do with the plot later on, so that folk won't be asking, 'where was she during the first movie'?

hell, it was more important to show her than Thanos, as he could have just shown up out of nowhere as being behind the plan in a sequel, and no-one would have blinked, as we were not privy to much of the outer space goings on, whereas we were to the Shield politics.

and y'know, like forums such as this, superhero movies could use more females.

Thanos' mid-credit appearance keeps the tradition going and prevents the shwarma scene from being anything more than an affectionate jab at the fanbase. We also were privy to the space goings on, we saw Loki talking to The Other, as well as The Other talking to Thanos in the beginning of the movie, that's two scenes vs. what, three of the Council of Vagueness?

Also, I had no problem with Hill being in the movie, I'd have rather her been able to do something, and am actually hoping that Ms. Marvel is introduced in one of the upcoming sequels, so. Yeah.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

He is a character that connects all the Marvel movies together. And he had a bigger role in the Thor movie, in which his character was very likeable and competent. And do not forget "A funny thing happened on the way to Thor's hammer"

Nah, none of that made the character any more endearing than Galaga guy or agent #4562q, guy´s just yet another unremarkable suit.

Didn´t care much for that incident on the way to the Thor hammer either.

Wish they had done that wth Maria Hill, though.
THAT I would have loved to see.

Maria Hill was for like 40 seconds onscreen and she´s already more interesting than him.

[kane]

Nah, none of that made the character any more endearing than Galaga guy or agent #4562q, guy´s just yet another unremarkable suit.

Didn´t care much for that incident on the way to the Thor hammer either.

Wish they had done that wth Maria Hill, though.
THAT I would have loved to see.

Maria Hill was for like 40 seconds onscreen and she´s already more interesting than him.

Well, we obviously have to agree to disagree.

[MRMIRACLE]

Don't forget satellites. And Halls. Although at a certain point, how many structures do we have left? Ack, there's no team in a bungalow!

Been done. The Avengers' old West Coast Compound featured five or six individual bungalows.

[dupersuper]

Not as mean as this.

That's not mean, it's just annoying.

It's a crime that there isn't an instantly recognisable, hummable Iron Man or Thor theme.

We'll always have the cartoons...and Kirby Krackle.

I know who she is, being recognizable to comic fans doesn't make her recognizable.

But half the cast isn't recognizable to non comics fans.

If this is an ideal word, we´ll get Carol Danvers next.

Before Wasp?

[Toonimator]

Before Wasp?

Danvers would most likely fit better in the Marvel Movieverse than Wasp. Size-changing in a Pym Particle kinda way rather than a Hulking-out way might feel outta place in the films, and Danvers is more of a powerhouse. What's Wasp gonna do, fly into Thanos' ear? (I'm being facetious, I know they could write a great part for Jan, character and heroics-wise, if they wanted to)

[verslibre]

I say keep the "gnat" characters out of the movies. Even Hank Pym as Giantman won't work onscreen without eliciting laughter. Definitely bring in Carol Danvers. Anything to scale back the sausage fest...LOL!

[Tar22]

I also enjoyed Dr. Banner's dry, understated humor: he arrives on the scene in New York City to rendezvous with his fellow Avengers, and seeing the city under siege by marauding alien hordes, remarks, "Well, all this seems quite horrible."

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Agreed. Great moment.

Banner seemed the "Giles" of the Avengers...

[Simbob4000]

That's not mean, it's just annoying.



We'll always have the cartoons...and Kirby Krackle.



But half the cast isn't recognizable to non comics fans.



Before Wasp?

Which half? Even if they don't know their names, they likely know of the main players from their movies.

[Area_hulk]

The movie was freaking awesome! But could someone explain to me how Thor returns to Earth with the rainbow bridge destroyed? I know Hiemdelle says there is always a way in "Thor" but I'm curious to know what that way is.

Odin used a lot of dark power to send Thor down. If Thor and Loki want to return home they need the power of the tesseract

[Anon_me]

If this indicates that we're past the point of worrying about spoilers... who or what is "ACANTI."

In the comics, the Acanti are giant intelligent space-faring whales who the Brood enslave as living spaceships, due to their ability to fly faster than light.

[moonknight11]

Nah, none of that made the character any more endearing than Galaga guy or agent #4562q, guy´s just yet another unremarkable suit.

Didn´t care much for that incident on the way to the Thor hammer either.

Wish they had done that wth Maria Hill, though.
THAT I would have loved to see.

Maria Hill was for like 40 seconds onscreen and she´s already more interesting than him.

Really? At least Coulson had an actual personality.