Scarlet Spider #5 / preview/ spoilers /discussion

[Ebon Phantom]

Good issue, keep up the good work.

I do have a question though. Is Kaine treated like some sort of god here in Houston? I mean, Sure, he's actually done heroic things and such, but let's face facts.
Peter could NEVER threaten a goon like that in front of a cop and not only get away with it, but have said cop drive him down to the next scene.

Kaine has gotten breaks that Peter never really has. Cops aren't actively hunting him down, he's not being slandered at all. He's never had to deal with bad press, only good press. And nobody gives a shit if he removes his mask. No repercussions from it other than The assassins guild. (Which actually was a pretty big repercussion, but he was removing his mask to breathe. Oh well.)

Chris, couple of questions.

Is Kaine physically stronger than Peter is right now? I know he used to be before the bath, but now that his powers have stabilized, is he still physically superior?

He's help said cop out a few times and it was an emergency, so it's understandable that he would get some leeway. And the main reason Peter got bad press was because JJ had a personal vendetta against him. Kaine doesn't have anyone like JJ against him.

[Billium 3]

Guess Jacky didn't implant Peter's memories to Kaine since he was a defective clone to be discarded anyways... the "none of the responsibility" would mean that he was never raised by the Parkers... although a few months ago he risked his ID going to the airport to see Aunt May - don't think he ever showed any feelings for her before (unlike Ben), although he did show some concern about MJ dying during the second clone saga...

Dunno if at some point it has been said if he has Pete's memories or not, maybe he had them and the degeneration made it forget a big chunk of them...

That's a good explaination I can get behind. If he had any good scientific expertise, it went away due to the clone degeneration. And with him being cured of his affliction now, he'd have to learn all of the science mumbo jumbo all over again.

[Bookem Danno]

While not as good as the other issues, still a good read. I liked the interaction between Kaine and Layton, and Kaine gaining another Other power.

This is my general reation to this issue too. Loved the sarcastic line by Kaine, "CAREFUL... YOU COULD HURT THEM." Also, it will be interesting if misguided popularity is thrust upon Layton as to how he handles it compared to Detective Bolt over in the pages of Punisher where he is undergoing the same 'curse'. I am not a fan of this new Fury direction but if Marvel is insistent it was respectable that this story did not shy away from his first(?) post-mini cameo.

I understand that Kaine's communication with spiders is reportedly/empathically limited but you really have to squint here, a little, not to see it coming across to the contrary as very far reaching and detail specific! Did he feel these faaar away spiders were rapidly dying from waves of radiation heat? It would almost have to be more than that - but that itself is an abnormally awesome ability!

And only one other nitpick: What the heck was Iron Man's intentions? Is flying solo the most speedy/effective means of transportation/solution he could decide upon? And what the heck was his solution - flying into a nuke that calculations must tell him is imminent? To personally scan for it and disarm it 'cuz his suit can withstand the blast? Or is Tony just insanely self-sacrificing? Great to get him to guest star but his role just struck me as odd. It was unclear if he was (embarrassingly) late by 2:12 or if he arrived with time remaining and was just (coincidentally) shown in the last panel at that time? By comparison, Kaine's decision to stay and look for the timebomb to save the city read much more believable and praiseworthy.

[refrax5]

Another awesome issue. No wonder this is my favorite comic out now.

[Drewman]

Not as good as the previous issues, but still a good read. I especially like the dialogue exchange between Kaine and Layton.

I can't say I feel comfortable that Sam Fury has arrived in 616.

[psynetrix]

Scarlet Spider #5 was very good; I am enjoying what Christopher Yost is doing with the characters. I was just too upset to fully take it in. The fact that Ryan Stegman is gone from the title bothers me to no end... he was the pillar of this series. That thing with Nick Fury Jr. and Coulson? Cheap and insulting.

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[Seto Kaiba]

Wottttttt?

He has pretty much all of Peter's powers from "The Other", save for Spider-Sense. It didn't surprise me too much to be honest. They have to differentiate him from Peter after all. Makes me wonder if that means he's faster/stronger than Peter as well.

That's a good explaination I can get behind. If he had any good scientific expertise, it went away due to the clone degeneration. And with him being cured of his affliction now, he'd have to learn all of the science mumbo jumbo all over again.

Or maybe he has it still but just hasn't put it to good use. It's safe to say that Peter's gotten smarter since Kaine first showed up. Plus Kaine seems to be a "work with what I have" sort of person. He's never really relied on his intelligence because he hasn't had any reason to. He uses his powers in brutal ways after all. Why rely on your brains when your strength and speed are enough? Plus his mind has been clouded for a long time. He's said it himself that this is the first time he's been able to think clearly. Will he become a techno wiz like Peter? Doubtful. Is he just dumb? Not by a long shot.

[Wellman]

He has pretty much all of Peter's powers from "The Other", save for Spider-Sense. It didn't surprise me too much to be honest. They have to differentiate him from Peter after all. Makes me wonder if that means he's faster/stronger than Peter as well.



Or maybe he has it still but just hasn't put it to good use. It's safe to say that Peter's gotten smarter since Kaine first showed up. Plus Kaine seems to be a "work with what I have" sort of person. He's never really relied on his intelligence because he hasn't had any reason to. He uses his powers in brutal ways after all. Why rely on your brains when your strength and speed are enough? Plus his mind has been clouded for a long time. He's said it himself that this is the first time he's been able to think clearly. Will he become a techno wiz like Peter? Doubtful. Is he just dumb? Not by a long shot.

It should also be noted, he spoke Japanese in a previous issue, but he doesn't know Spanish.

[Xenon]

I have two complaints.

1) The Spiders thing...ehhhh. Not sure about that. Maybe I'd just feel better if Kaine's powers were laid out for me. I'm just not sure what he can and can't do. Some demonstration of powers and limits would be good.
2) The book has a little too much left-wing politicking. It's not MUCH (just the husbands in Texas thing and now a right wing terrorist group), but it still is a little frustrating to me,and I thought I'd suggest early on that it might be something that may be best avoided or dealt with carefully.

outside of that, this is still my favorite book out right now. Still simply fantastic on pretty much every level. This issue has no super-villain, just a standard terrorist plot, and its still an thoroughly engaging tense experience. Bravo. A+ for sure.

I know, but it only got one panel. Plus it was too easy to disarm. The spiders and iron man got more focus I thought.

I....really think you're getting hung up on something incredible unimportant. Bomb Stories are nothing new. While some do make a big deal out of disarming the bomb, MOST (and if not most a substantial minority) make the big deal finding the bomb. Once they find the bomb, they just shut it off or throw it up into the sky or something. And Iron Man and Shield I liked because they were a good use of the Red Herring. Mr. Yost made it seem like he was going to play a part in th esolution, but in the end, it was all up to Kaine. Good diversion and tension buider.

[Dr. Chaos]

I've been working with Marvel on the studio side for a couple of years now, and was when I started on Scarlet Spider. I'm not leaving the book any time soon.

Nice!

Your book is the potential I've always seen in the Scarlet Spider identity realized. Keep it up.

Also, love Kaine pretty much shedding blood whenever he can in the past few issues. Really makes you step back and realize how much Peter actually holds back. Half of the fun of this book is getting to see Kaine do what Parker can't.

[SPIDER-FAN(1)]

I got it from Fantastico, here in Mexico, and the truth this series, and number, is fantastic, I personally like the series will last for years and that Marvel decided to publish it in Spanish Mexico

[Hulk_Is]

Love the cover - especially since the bomb actually does make an appearance. I also liked the sense of peril throughout this issue. I was enthralled.

This issue felt like a movie and and it was a signature Chris Yost comic for me.

I really like the SS supporting cast even though in this issue it only featured one of them.

Great dialogue - my favorite issue so far. I didn't think it would surpass issue #4 in awesomness, but somehow it did. Even Neil Edwards impressed here.

4.8 out of 5 stars.

P.S.: Loved the Spider detection abilities, Yost! Also, very good to hear you'll be sticking around on the book for awhile.

[BooCoo]

I REALLY like this book.

As far as the Other powers go, they remain undefined. It's not clear who has what (between Pete and Kaine). I'd like to think they just use similar stuff in different ways. We don't know for certain Peter can't do this stuff, but he's not as extreme as Kaine so its hard to tell.