Why can't Nolan's Batman be used in a JLA movie?

[Mr. Holmes]

I hate how people act like these Nolan Batman films are SO SOPHISTICATED compared to other super hero movies. Pssssssh.... No!

Steve Gus, is that you?

[Guglio08]

Oh, you're a Nolan fan. Tell me more about his vision, how he uses film instead of digital, how he hates 3D which is for casuals and not for serious moviegoes, etc.

You present such a compelling argument (which is also a Straw-Man and potentially an Ad Hominem).

Also here's one of my favourite posts from this forum. It may not be 100% applicable but I feel it's close enough:

"TDK didn't feel like Batman because it felt like gloob. What does that mean? It doesn't matter, and that's the bottom line!"

You're saying: TDK was gloob, Batman is not gloob, therefore TDK did not feel like Batman. Unless you can explain what "gloob" even means, you don't have an argument, you have a meaningless, nonsensical assertion.

[Dr. Hurt]

I hate how people act like these Nolan Batman films are SO SOPHISTICATED compared to other super hero movies. Pssssssh.... No!

Lets say they are. What difference would it make if the movie looked like Arkham City? Like if it was directed by Del Toro? Would it change anything?

People keep talking about Nolan's artistic decisions and i am not feeling it. I'd hire him to decorate a surgery room, because his movies feel clinical and sterile, but not my superhero movies. His batsuits (especially this robotic last one) are crap, the flying lobster is hilarious, and his settings are mostly bland and empty. Wayne's penthouse looked like an empty car dealership with a sofa in the middle of it.

Stark Tower alone (or the Stark Expo in IM2) were much more spectacular than anything in either Nolan Bat movies. Only Ras' monastery and the Hong Kong scene were anything to talk about.


tl;dr why does it have to be either or? Why not both story and spectacle and atmosphere?

[Guglio08]

If you think that Batman Begins lacked atmosphere, then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

[Dr. Hurt]

If you think that Batman Begins lacked atmosphere, then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Begins had. TDK didnt. And you clearly ignored all my other points only focusing on the one you can refute.

[HXHAlex]

Lets say they are. What difference would it make if the movie looked like Arkham City? Like if it was directed by Del Toro? Would it change anything?

It it looked like Arkham City or FELT like Arkham City? If a Batman movie felt like Arkham City it would change the whole scope of story opportunities. Youd be able to actually use Batman's rogue gallery

Batman is an extremely sci-fi/fantasy world. Jason Todd's return, villains like Clayface, Dr Hurt, supernatural activity, the **** Batman does with no powers. These realistic movies were a cool take, but for a rebooted franchise there is no reason to go for Nolan 2.0 Batman

[Guglio08]

And you clearly ignored all my other points only focusing on the one you can refute.

I'm still waiting for you to make a point that isn't a gross exaggeration / generalization / Straw-Man argument.

These realistic movies were a cool take, but for a rebooted franchise there is no reason to go for Nolan 2.0 Batman

Finally, someone gets it.

[Mr. Holmes]

Batman is an extremely sci-fi/fantasy world. Jason Todd's return, villains like Clayface, Dr Hurt, supernatural activity, the **** Batman does with no powers. These realistic movies were a cool take, but for a rebooted franchise there is no reason to go for Nolan 2.0 Batman

Batman is so many different things. He's had his fair share of "realistic" comics. In fact, those are the main source material for the Nolan movies. It's not like Nolan took Harry Potter and decided to explain everything without magic.

[Dr. Hurt]

Batman is so many different things. He's had his fair share of "realistic" comics. In fact, those are the main source material for the Nolan movies. It's not like Nolan took Harry Potter and decided to explain everything without magic.

He kind of did with Ras Al Ghul and the Joker. Both were pretty watered down to fit in his movies. Ras probably isnt immortal and the Joker uses makeup.

[vampiric_cannibal]

Every thing else being equal, Avengers was far better than the Nolan films because the dialogue was supremely better. Far more realistic and less cliched and funny. TDK, particularly the final monologue, had so much out of place, forced dialogue I groan at it.

[Mr. Holmes]

The makeup serves a story/thematic point; it's like war paint. And they hint Ra's is immortal.

[Guglio08]

Every thing else being equal, Avengers was far better than the Nolan films because the dialogue was supremely better. Far more realistic and less cliched and funny. TDK, particularly the final monologue, had so much out of place, forced dialogue I groan at it.

Not really. The quips were good, yeah, but the actual dialogue? Not even close. Every word in TDK carries weight, responsibility. Everything Loki said made me cringe. The Other was particularly stupid.

[spideybr]

avengers plot holes ? please tell me wich ones, i didnt notice any .Nolan batman in the other hands if FULL of them, like how bruce refuses to kill a prisioner,then explode the shit out of the hideout killing dozens of ninjas he befriended, how joker moved gallons of gas to boats while the city was on lockdown, how batman left the part members to their own lucky with joker to save racheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel !
This will be fun.

Also comic books.....COMIC,you know, fun ? you know why people go to movies,read books, watch tv, play video ? entertainement, to entertain, its a scapism from our lifes, if yuoo are scaping from the reality of youor life why would youo want a movie from "funnie" books to be serious ? i have nothing against a mature aproach to comic book heroes, but "realism" is such a meh excuse to be gritty, dark,edgy and violent.

[vampiric_cannibal]

Not really. The quips were good, yeah, but the actual dialogue? Not even close. Every word in Avengers carries weight, responsibility. Everything Gordon said made me cringe. Rachel Dawes was particularly stupid.

Corrected this for you.
Everything in TDK had the single most expositioney and dull dialogue to accompany it. No one had any real skill at wordplay, humour or implying anything. Stating the obvious is obviously a wasted statement.

[Guglio08]

avengers plot holes?

Why didn't Loki's staff affect Tony Stark? How did the Cosmic Cube spontaneously re-activate? Why weren't the aliens guarding the very important portal necessary for their invasion? How would the Avengers have won if the US Government didn't decide to nuke the city? Why did Banner turn into the Hulk on the Helicarrier if he was "always angry?" How did Thor return if the portal gun thing was destroyed? How did Black Widow and / or Hawkeye not die instantly? Why was Hawkeye able to stand in one spot without getting randomly blasted in the face with a laser? Why can you punch someone in the head to release them from Loki's mind control?

Also, Loki's staff able to stop the portal because the old guy put in a deactivation thingie while mind-controlled = blatant deus ex machina. Just like the nuke.

@vampiric_cannibal: Cool story, bro. Take some writing classes and get back to me.