Why can't Nolan's Batman be used in a JLA movie?

[Fate's Faith]

Chainmail tights at that. And Bucky wore tinfoil tights when he was Cap.

Captain America's 'armoured' costume in The Avengers was still a mile away from Batman's bulky gear though.

I don't think an Adam West type costume has any chance of working, but I do think that there's room for improvement here.

Since we're dealing with unrealism here, I think it could. Until I watched the extras, I had no idea Reynold's Green Lantern suit wasn't an actual piece of clothing. But, I don't think only tights look would work either because at times Reynold's skin tight outfit looked like he needed a sandwich. I like the idea of a suit which doesn't inhibit a full range of movement but has some noticeable extra protection. And before I forget, some color contrast. Black on black on black is just too much black. Looking at the Entertainment Weekly cover with Bale and Hathaway, it just doesn't look impressive to me. For all I know, he could have a huge beer gut in that thing. Which is a shame because I believe Bale has worked hard to be in shape and it just isn't apparent. Save for his own endurance in making the film.

Everyone can debate the question(s) of armor vs. costume, but I am far more interested in HOW his capabilities are presented. As
a master of strategic thinking coupled with tactical implementation, he should always be ahead of the curve since he has no detrimental fallback position of resting upon superpowers. Give him the eidetic memory, genius IQ and 20+ years of martial arts expertise and THAT'S what I want to see on film. This is the right portrait IMHO.

Just focusing on the fighting aspect, armor in films may make sense in the idea of protection but it seems to dull the way that expertise looks. Like I stated above, the suit apparently can be digitally added so why not take advantage and do some great fight scenes then add it in later. I do watch a lot of action films of all types and not once have I ever thought a Batman film contained a memorable fight sequence. Lots of stunts but not blow your mind fights. To me, Batman should crush them all. If the Joker had put a 'kick me' sign on movie Batman's back, I really think he'd have to have Alfred help him remove it. That's just wrong.

[Dr. Hurt]

What was done was to make it two separate pieces, based on a motorcycle helmet's design. But in no way is it robotic.

I'm glad to hear they didnt base it on batman's design. We wouldnt want that would we?

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

To discover Loki's location in Germany. To be precise, SHIELD was doing the hacking, but the Avengers were all standing by and nodding along.


But he never gets the weapons back in the movie! He sees a bunch of insurgents holding people hostage, using regular guns, so he flies over and shoots them and that's it. He doesn't get any of his weapons back at all.

And regardless, flying over to the Middle East and personally taking his weapons back one at a time is still a terrible solution to weapons proliferation, particularly since it prevents him from staying at home and shutting down the source.

He wasn't trying to regain his weapons at that point. He had already decided to leave the market. And besides it would've been a waste of time to show him destroying every single last weapon he built.

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

So you're expecting for Batman to end as in dead or hangs up being Batman? Or just Nolan doing Batman films. I still would wonder if they will reboot to fit in with a JLA or reboot him within a JLA film which sounds a bit risky if Nolan's is the only version many know depending on their age.

They will most definitely reboot Batman at some point especially if the rumors prove to be true.

[Mat001]

I guess I need to be more specific. Jackman was already the centerpiece, so to speak, in X2. He should be to the X-Men what Cap is to the Avengers, but he wasn't written that way.

Two reasons.

1. Logan is more interesting than Scott Summers. That's why Singer focused on him more.

2. The middle act with Cyclops got cut out.

Black on black on black is just too much black.

Black, or often as the case, dark gray, blends in better than blue and gray.

Just focusing on the fighting aspect, armor in films may make sense in the idea of protection but it seems to dull the way that expertise looks. Like I stated above, the suit apparently can be digitally added so why not take advantage and do some great fight scenes then add it in later. I do watch a lot of action films of all types and not once have I ever thought a Batman film contained a memorable fight sequence. Lots of stunts but not blow your mind fights. To me, Batman should crush them all. If the Joker had put a 'kick me' sign on movie Batman's back, I really think he'd have to have Alfred help him remove it. That's just wrong.

That's because the Batman actors are just that, actors. They're not martial arts experts, only the stunt doubles are. Even in tights, you'd have the same issue. Besides, in the comics and cartoons, Batman doesn't do anything impressive like you'd see in a martial arts film. The most you ever see is punches, kicks, Judo throws and occasionally wrenching the arm of his opponent. The odds of seeing Akido or Mauy Thai in a Batman film is slim.

I'm glad to hear they didnt base it on batman's design. We wouldnt want that would we?

They did. Even in the comics it has been portrayed like a helmet. It allowed Bale and his stunt doubles to move their head. Otherwise, the actor is going to look like Adam West or the guy in "Dead End", who didn't look that impressive.

[carabas]

They did. Even in the comics it has been portrayed like a helmet. It allowed Bale and his stunt doubles to move their head. Otherwise, the actor is going to look like Adam West or the guy in "Dead End", who didn't look that impressive.

I think the guy in "Dead End" looked very impressive. Of course, he wouldn't be able to do a proper fight scene either as he can't turn his head.

[WhiteEyedWonder]

I think this Batman's just to broody to be in a JLA movie.

Can you honestly picture the current batman being in a group/team?

[WaveHeater]

I think this Batman's just to broody to be in a JLA movie.

Can you honestly picture the current batman being in a group/team?

Yes I can. In fact Bale-Bats is more team friendly than Keaton ever was.

Can you imagine Keaton allowing Gordon to drive his batmobile, or teaming up with a company Exec to kidnap a citizen in Hong Kong?

In the next film he is allying up with Catwoman. I think he has proven time and again that he "plays well with others"

[fred10]

I actually had a dream the other night about the upcoming Nolanverse Batman movie. It was a totally legit, vivid, full color, all live-action dream.

The first part just rewrote some of the lines from scenes we have been shown in the commercials and previews. There were all these hints from Catwoman, Bane, and finally Ra's Al Ghul about the tenuousness of Bruce's "reality", and the possibility of another world. For example, when Bruce is dancing with Selina, she leans in and tells him he's a "simulacrum borrowed from a world in greater need of heroes then our own". Later, when Bane is leering over a fallen Batman, he refers to the "limited verisimilitude" of Bruce's reality, which he calls "just the shade, warped into a loose parody of a far greater, far finer thing".

Finally, Batman comes face to face with a young Ra's Al Ghul at a Lazarus Pool. This part was just totally fabricated in my dream. But, anyway, Ra's reveals the secret of the pool is that it draws it's unholy power from a divine world. You cannot cross over to that other world, but you can bathe in the pool and be reborn by the magic, or energy, or whatever... Ra's called it "magic" in my dream... borrowed from the other world, AND you can stare through the pool into the other world.

At this point in the dream, Batman has been defeated, his back broken by Bane, and Ra's stands there saying that if they were to put him into the pool, he could walk again. Bane holds Batman's head over the pool, so that he can look into it, but cannot enter. Through the pool, he sees another version of himself (the comic book version), fighting the comic book version of Bane at the edge of a Lazarus pool in their world. "Nolanverse Batman" watches "Comic-book Batman" fight "Comic-book Bane", performing acrobatics (Back flips, bounding over Bane's shoulders, spinning in the air...), and "Nolanverse Batman" mutters, "That's not me. That's not anybody. I could never...", and "Nolanverse Ra's" cuts him off, saying, "No, YOU can't. But, HE CAN!!".

They continue to watch, and it appears that "Comic-book Batman" is about to be defeated by "Comic-book Bane". At this point "Nolanverse Bane" is preening, saying, "See how majestic I am! That is me! THAT is the REAL me!", and "Nolanverse Batman" says, "That's not real...", and "Nolanverse Ra's" replies, "Isn't it?".

Then, just as "Comic-book Batman" is about to be smashed over "Comic-book Bane's" knee, "Comic-book Robin" jumps out of the shadows and onto "Comic-book Bane's" back, slicing through the tubing supplying his Venom. "Nolanverse Batman" sees Robin and says, "Who is that? I would never...", when "Comic-book Batman", now freed from a defeated "Comic-book Bane", lurches to the edge of the Lazarus pool, and stares right at "Nolanverse Batman" and barks, "But I WOULD!!!" Then he says, "Bruce, you've got to free yourself, you can't let them take control of your world!", and "Nolanverse Batman" says, "But my back... is broke...", and Robin comes to the edge of the pool and says, "It wouldn't be if I had been there." That's when "Nolanverse Bane", enraged over the defeat of "Comic-book Bane", curb-stomps the back of "Nolanverse Batman's" head (using a rock next to the pool, instead of a curb), killing him. Then "Nolanverse Bane" says, "Perhaps I was mistaken. Perhaps I AM the real me...", then he spits into the Lazarus pool and the ripples from his lugi cause the images of the aghast "Comic-book Batman and Robin" to disappear...

[verslibre]

1. Logan is more interesting than Scott Summers. That's why Singer focused on him more.

Iron Man is more interesting than Captain America (IMO, though I also like Cap), but he wasn't written to assume leadership of the group.

[MarkRodriguez12]

The day Batman can do a backflip and actually fight with some sweet moves in a movie, is the day he can be in JL movie...Otherwise he'd just be dead weight.

[Mr. Holmes]

I don't think we know enough about a live action Justice League movie to assume they hold gymnastic tests for admission.

[Mat001]

Iron Man is more interesting than Captain America (IMO, though I also like Cap), but he wasn't written to assume leadership of the group.

Logan wasn't exactly leader in "X2". He, Jean and Ororo were the leaders of the X-Men while Scott and Charles were absent. And in the third film, Logan and Ororo were the leaders, just like in the X-Men comics from 1986-1988.

The day Batman can do a backflip and actually fight with some sweet moves in a movie, is the day he can be in JL movie...Otherwise he'd just be dead weight.

Two things.

1. What does gymanstics have to do with anything? But in case you don't recall, Batman did a flip in "Batman Forever". Besides, Dick Grayson is the one who does more flips than Bruce Wayne.

2. Batman's fighting style in the Nolan films is pretty effective and not showy. Just like in the comics and cartoons.

[fred10]

Two things.

1. What does gymanstics have to do with anything? But in case you don't recall, Batman did a flip in "Batman Forever". Besides, Dick Grayson is the one who does more flips than Bruce Wayne.

2. Batman's fighting style in the Nolan films is pretty effective and not showy. Just like in the comics and cartoons.

Hey, when I see Nolan's Batman track down a villain on foot, via rooftop.... or when I see Nolan's Batman stop a falling body by catching it mid-air while simultaneously firing a grappling line... OR... and ESPECIALLY... when I see Nolan's Batman launch himself at a super-strong oppenent by jumping onto the object his enemy has thrown at him, while said object is still in flight toward where Batman WAS when his opponent threw it, and then jumping off of that object at the villain BEFORE that object has touched down, and then toss the villain by grabbing his neck while in the air over his head.... THEN Nolan's Batman MAY belong with the JLA.

[fred10]

I think this clip of Batman fighting Amazo from "Under The Red Hood" exemplifies the sort of stuff Nolan's Batman should be able to do in a Justice League movie. Amazo does, after all, have the powers of the Justice League. So if the stuff Bats does in this clip are sufficient to take down Amazo, then his joining a group of individuals with these powers would not be out of the question. However, there are a number of things that Bats does here that I just don't see Nolan allowing his version of Batman to do. And, I'm not even taking into account the presence of Nightwing.