Why can't Nolan's Batman be used in a JLA movie?

[Death by Mime]

This is nothing,you should see the moronic comments on Bane's size and ethnicity.Some idiot actually said this
"atleast Schumachers Bane was big,Hardy has ruined Bane"

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Ethnicity I think is a valid complaint, that has more to do with better minority representation in media, more job opportunities for minority actors, essentially the more societal concerns as opposed to the strictly pedantic comic continuity ones.

People do love to fantasy-cast pro wrestlers in superhero movies, though.

[Dr. Hurt]

Tell that to the person who decided to bring the Arkham games in to this in the first place,

I was that guy and i mentioned Arkham City because it brings Batman and his world to life. I didnt mention it for it's plot or anything else. It's a videogame.

and yes Bane is better EASILY BY MILES.The prologue plane hijack alone was better than anything the Arkham Bane did.

No objections there. AC Bane was probably the worst part of the game.

Catwoman looks like she'll have a character too outside of being sexy just for fan service.

Translation: "I've never read a comic book about Catwoman and i'm talking out of my ass to support Nolan."

Newsflash,Darkseid has been reduced to jobber status just cause DC overuses him for the sake of fanboys.That villain needs more respect and distance from Batman and Superman.

Read the Great Darkness Saga or Final Crisis.

In any case it's not about Darkseid, it's about the JL, whether they fight Darkseid, or Mongul, or Brainiac, or Lex Luthor.

[suss2it]

And Iron Man was kidnapped by Jihadis in the movies,I'm sure that actually never happened in the comics.

It actually did.

[Dr. Hurt]

And Iron Man was kidnapped by Jihadis in the movies,I'm sure that actually never happened in the comics.

He was kidnapped alright. It was just another faction, not Iraqui terrorists. You're better off making a point about Marvel having difficulty adapting Fin Fan Foom or Mandarin who was reduced to a terrorist organisation as opposed to a Chinese guy with magic rings.

But my point wasnt deviating from the comics stories. It was about deviating and watering down the nature and ridiculousness of it. All movies have done that to a certain extent but Nolan has been the worst offender.

[HXHAlex]

Well Nolan beats Arkham City when it comes to Bane and Catwoman,and ofcourse in story telling.AC had the most predictable plot I've ever seen.

You want a Batman franchise where multiple of his villains were used then take a good look at Batman & Robin,hell skim through Spider-Man 3 as well while you're at it.

Yeah well I saw Supes & Bats vs Darkseid in the crappy Supergirl story,dont need to see that garbage in the cinema.

I think Mr Holmes nailed it when he used the term fan service,people really are desperate when they want to see Darkseid vs Superman and Batman.
Newsflash Darkseid written well would annihilate them both,if he does'nt then it's down to bad writing,plot holes,PIS etc.

I don't need a Bat film with 3+ villains in it. But a franchise of movies that allows you to have a Bane that uses venom, allows you to do Clayface, or tell a story with Dr. Hurt and his demon summoning habits, would be nice

[Dr. Hurt]

So i've lost track here. What are we talking about?

- Why cant Nolan's Batman be in the JL?
1) Because Nolan says so
2) Because they said it's self contained
3) Because they ll reboot after Nolan is done

- Why cant Batman be in the JL?
He can.

- Avengers was shallow, so JL will be shallow. I am shallow for wanting a JL movie.
Sure whatever. I'll go watch it. You're free not to. Can i only have something if you guys agree to it?

- It's either serious business and substance or fun and action and comic bookiness. You can never have both.
Well i dont even have to say anything to that do i?



So where are we?

[Dr. Hurt]

I don't need a Bat film with 3+ villains in it. But a franchise of movies that allows you to have a Bane that uses venom, allows you to do Clayface, or tell a story with Dr. Hurt and his demon summoning habits, would be nice

Man i'd pay huge money to watch Morrison's Saga come to life. If not in live action at least animated.

[Death by Mime]

I don't need a Bat film with 3+ villains in it. But a franchise of movies that allows you to have a Bane that uses venom, allows you to do Clayface, or tell a story with Dr. Hurt and his demon summoning habits, would be nice

Of course Nolan's franchise can do all those. It did an army of civilization-destroying ninjas, it did a magical mad bomber clown conjuring up an army of mental patients. You're mistaking "won't" with "can't".

[Mr. Holmes]

I don't need a Bat film with 3+ villains in it. But a franchise of movies that allows you to have a Bane that uses venom, allows you to do Clayface, or tell a story with Dr. Hurt and his demon summoning habits, would be nice

People need to realize that Morrison uses narrative and story techniques that do not translate to film.

[Death by Mime]

So where are we?

This is were we are at: your obnoxious need to have every superhero movie tie in to one another, to be genericized into one giant crossover, when it is apparent you don't care about actual character continuity and are only acting out some sort of comic book conditioning, where it only matters if it's "canon".

[Dr. Hurt]

People need to realize that Morrison uses narrative and story techniques that do not translate to film.

Obviously. His Batman run is a huge metatext about Batman's character and the way he was treated throughout his history, while trying to undo the damage they did to him during the 90ies.

But his story still can be adapted on the big screen in my opinion. It would take some retooling but it could be done. Also, his JLA was much more straightforwand. Particularly his first storty with the White Martians is a story that is begging to be adapted on film.

[Mr. Holmes]

Obviously. His Batman run is a huge metatext about Batman's character and the way he was treated throughout his history, while trying to undo the damage they did to him during the 90ies.

But his story still can be adapted on the big screen in my opinion. It would take some retooling but it could be done. Also, his JLA was much more straightforwand. Particularly his first storty with the White Martians is a story that is begging to be adapted on film.

I don't really see how it could be done without missing the core themes. The audiences wouldn't understand anything of what's going on.

[Dr. Hurt]

This is were we are at: your obnoxious need to have every superhero movie tie in to one another, to be genericized into one giant crossover, when it is apparent you don't care about actual character continuity and are only acting out some sort of comic book conditioning, where it only matters if it's "canon".

I dont understand how my wanting to see DC copy Marvel's movieverse plan is obnoxious to anyone. It's not a need, it's me being envious of Marvel as a DC fan and recognizing their achievement. I dont put spectacle over substance or vice versa. I appreciate both. I never said Marvel's movies were deeper than Nolan's, but they balance every quality very well, while Nolan mostly excels in the non comic book stuff, basically the themes and stories which have more to do with real life and he just uses Batman's world to tell them (not Begins, but TDK and TDKR which looks like it's going to be about the economy, the 99%, the struggles between the social classes, etc).

So i dont think i am Michael Bay as you like to present me. I'd just like Nolan's quality of plots, score and moviemaking, combined with Del Toro's visuals, atmosphere and action direction. I dare you speak bad of Del Toro. Nolan is still making a superhero movie and failing in those aspects whether you recognise it or not. Even the biggest Nolan fan will recognise that the Hong Kong fight scene looked fake and staged.

So am i asking for Nolan to give me dumber movies? No.
Am i asking that he improves the aspects of his films that suffer? Yes.

And this is why i appreciate and enjoy Begins more than TDK. Yes it's flawed and not as deep and has cheesy one liners, but it's probably the best Batman origin story i've ever watched/read.


So i hope that clears out my intentions.

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Also, I've told you before that i dont appreciate or respond to posters who dont respect me when they re talking to me. You called me and my posts stupid a few pages ago and now you're calling me obnoxious. So that much is obvious.
I stopped replying to you but your need to keep replying, misreading my posts and giving a false view on me and my opinions forced me to reply this one last time. I would appreciate if you stopped replying to me.


But you know what i find obnoxious? The fact that some posters think of themselves as the sole critics and their tastes as superior to everyone else's. God knows i've been there too sometimes but i was mostly doing it tongue in cheek, usually even mocking myself for going there with quotes like: "yes my opinions are facts". So anyway these posters think that they get to choose what people should like and what DC should do with their properties. According to them DC shouldnt make a JL movie because they say so. Because they are the avantguard of movie critics and only movies they approve of should be made.
"You want movie X to be made? Well bad luck kiddo, we dont approve."
"You want a Batman Beyond movie? Hm, let me see if i approve.... Yeah, we can do it with normal film instead of digital, no 3D, shoot it in IMAX, add pretentious themes about the future and blah, blah, blah, so your silly Batman movie about a teenager that becomes batman can be masked and presented as a serious film for serious moviegoers such as ourselves."

At the end of the day when i'm asking for a Batman Beyond movie, i'm expressing my desire to see it adapted, not used as a tool to present some theme about the future, or the urban environment, or the evolution of the family structure throughout time, or this and that. That can come and be added on later to give the movie some depth. Why can Harry Potter or the LotR movies combine everything together but Batman cant?

[Dr. Hurt]

I don't really see how it could be done without missing the core themes. The audiences wouldn't understand anything of what's going on.

I guess it would lose a lot of what made it great, you're right. It could still be a story about Batman, about him losing his mind and finally finding balance, and things like that.

Obviously they'd need 10 movies to fit that massive story in there. Perhaps in a perfect world....

[Death by Mime]

Yes movies dont have that luxury. That's why you set them up from the start in a way that means that they can all work together.

Shield and Black Widow acted as the glue between the Marvel movies which were already created in such a way that would fascilitate an Avengers movie. Marvel didnt have Nolan going "nonono, you cant use my ironman in your silly Avengers movie. My ironman is realistic and serious business."

This is it. This is your problem. You think Nolan is standing in the way of a Justice League movie being made because he has a vision he wants to follow with his movies. I mean, of course DC will eventually make a Justice League movie, and if it's any good I will welcome it. But you do in fact want Nolan to give you dumber movies, because you want all DC movies to "work together" for no good reason. You're not critiquing his movies for having poor choreography, you're criticizing his movies because Batman's poor fight choreography means he can't possibly keep up in a fight with Superman!

It is you, you are the insufferable critic who wants everything to conform to your standards.