Why can't Nolan's Batman be used in a JLA movie?

[spideybr]

I think if they want to do combat right they're gonna need to loosen up the suit a bit.

Not really, just leave the parts that cluster combat be absent and add them in with computer graphics.since its black and all batman scenes are in the dark no one would notice untill the BD comes out anyway

[LoneNecromancer]

And generally he is pretty dumb, he just goes for the head and muscle it, but what if he cant see the head

He's a super-genius. And he can see through just about anything.

[spideybr]

Superman is a super genius since when ?

[The Batman]

Superman is a super genius since when ?

From about 1938 until 1986 and then again from 2005 until now. Worth noting is that in that intervening nineteen years that he wasn't exactly dim and more than capable in his own right.

[Mr. Holmes]

Worth noting is that in that intervening nineteen years that he wasn't exactly dim and more than capable in his own right.

True, but not consistently.

[The Batman]

True, but not consistently.

Well, yeah, but you could say that about Batman or most any other superhero too.

[spideybr]

well my contact with superman is mostly the cartoon shows, they really negleted that there then and still do.

[Mat001]

Nolan's fighting scenes are all bad. Not just the directing, but the choreography itself. Remember the scene where Widow is tied to a chair? She fights better than Batman has ever fought in both of Nolan's movies. His choreography consists of elbows, grapples, more elbows, and some more elbows. Perhaps some weird punches too. And usually the bad guys are trying their best not to hit him. Hell, those guys in Hong Kong were literally aiming at the ceiling so that Batman could take them down.

That's the point of that fighting style. It emphasizes quick takedowns which is why there's a lot of elbow usage. It's called Keysi Fighting Method.

Behind The Scenes video

Demonstration video

It looks weird to you, because it's not as commonly used in cinema compared to Karate, Muay Thai, Kung-Fu, Tae-Kwon-Do and Wu-Shu.

Did super man cured the world hunger ?

Which has nothing to do with anything. He made an attempt in "Peace On Earth".

Did superman made metropolis a crime free heaven on earth ?

Local crime rates are down compared to when he made his public debut. The only major crime comes from his rogues gallery causing trouble or alien and demonic invasions.

Then your argument fails, superman is fast but can't be at two places at once.

Which has what to do with what I'm talking about.

And generally he is pretty dumb, he just goes for the head and muscle it, but what if he cant see the head

The man has x-ray and infrared vision. He can see pretty damn well. Have you read a Superman comic?

I noticed earlier that someone mentioned that Adam west was the only batman that looked like he could move. This is because he had an actual costume and not a poly-carbon-resin-leather-cinder block costume like everyone else did.

I like all of the live action batman films and I enjoyed the combat sequences in all of them but I think every batman since Adam west has had limited mobility for fight scenes. I never once recall seeing a scene of combat in a batman film that was on par with what comic batman can do.

I think if they want to do combat right they're gonna need to loosen up the suit a bit.

Here's the difference between Superman and Batman....BATMAN ISN'T BULLETPROOF!!! Nor is he faster than a speeding bullet. The 60's series got away with tights because none of the villains every really used guns. And those that did conveniently forget to use it. Nor did they uses knives and swords only popped up in the movie. When Burton opted to have the rubber suits, it was because his film was going to have Batman get shot on more than one occasion. Hence it became body armor. The sculpted muscle was to retain the iconic look without forcing Keaton to bulk up to the nth degree. And the fact is that the armor looks more intimidating than tights.

And lest we forget there are people that like Captain America's costume in his solo film over the Avengers film, because it looks more practical for fighting in war and against being shot up.

[Mr. Holmes]

Well, yeah, but you could say that about Batman or most any other superhero too.

I don't know if Batman has had the same problem though. There were so many instances where Superman was played to be dumb to show how intelligent Batman is.

[The Batman]

I don't know if Batman has had the same problem though. There were so many instances where Superman was played to be dumb to show how intelligent Batman is.

Is comic book Batman the guy who can defeat six White Martians or is he the guy who has a problem with the Penguin? Is he the master strategist of the JLA or the guy dumb enough to have his super spy satellite stolen away and takes a few issues to recognize one of his own really ill-conceived war games scenarios?

Well, obviously, he's both. Just like Superman can be both. That Superman is portrayed as inconsistent more often doesn't mean that Batman isn't portrayed as inconsistent often enough himself.

[spideybr]

@mat, my point with the hunger is super man can do a lot of things, but he cant end problems on his own, so assuming he would cure gotham by just being there is a false assumption, and when i said he cant see the head i mean, find the head of a organization, i mean, he can deal with the thugs causing troubles but what is he going to do if he cant figure the master's ploting behind the shadows, something batman would. He would just treat the symptoms not the cause.

[Dr. Hurt]

That's the point of that fighting style. It emphasizes quick takedowns which is why there's a lot of elbow usage. It's called Keysi Fighting Method.

Behind The Scenes video

Demonstration video

It looks weird to you, because it's not as commonly used in cinema compared to Karate, Muay Thai, Kung-Fu, Tae-Kwon-Do and Wu-Shu.

I know all about Keysi. It looks like crap and Batman's fight scenes end up looking uninspired and boring. Who cares whether it's practical in real life.

Here's the difference between Superman and Batman....BATMAN ISN'T BULLETPROOF!!! Nor is he faster than a speeding bullet.

Watch the Avengers. It manages to give Widow and Hawkeye things to do even if they re in the same team as Thor, Hulk and Ironman.

I mean when my sister first saw the trailer she was like "riiiight... those arrows sure will defeat that alien armada" and when she saw the movie she loved it. Hawkeye and Widow were awesome in it.

[Lancerman]

Nolan's Batman is so detestably grounded in "realness" that not even Robin or Batgirl are allowed to exist in this universe, let alone a kryptonian powerhouse or a warrior Amazon Princess who is thousands of years old. That's why the Batman movies are going to be almost immediately rebooted, to create a version of Batman where creatures like Clayface and superheroes like the Flash can believably exist. The "realness" factor, while greatly loved by Nolan's fans, is this Batman franchises greatest weakness. It gives NO room for a universe outside of Bruce Wayne, period.

Thats not a weakness.

[Guglio08]

The Avengers is an awful comparison. Black Widow and Hawkeye would probably have died within the first few minutes of the invasion. The movie wasn't so much about anything as it was fanservice.

The reason Nolan's Batman can't be in a JLA movie is Nolan's Batman eschews fanservice in favour of a philosophical, symbolically rich storyline. In an actual Batman comic, Batman would have defeated The Joker in Bruce's penthouse and saved Rachel Dawes and it would be over. Comparing the comics to the movie franchise is getting away from the point in the first place.

Why does it have to be the same? Why can't there be the comics and the movies, separately? You do realize that the movies have to be easily digestible by mass market, right? I absolutely love Batman in Final Crisis for instance, but I really doubt a large scale audience would appreciate, or even understand, the events of that storyline. Comics require continuity. Movies do not. You didn't have to have seen Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America to see The Avengers. And a Justice League movie without continuity would be basically Geoff Johns' JL comic. Which is awful.

Also I think it's important to point out that the heroes in The Avengers are not in fact, the actual Avengers? Where was Wasp or Ant-Man? Vision? They took the characters with the simplest origin stories to make the original movies. You could say they picked the most realistic heroes. Easily digestible movies to lead into The Avengers. Try doing that with a JLA movie.

[Mr. Holmes]

The Avengers is an awful comparison. Black Widow and Hawkeye would probably have died within the first few minutes of the invasion. The movie wasn't so much about anything as it was fanservice.

The reason Nolan's Batman can't be in a JLA movie is Nolan's Batman eschews fanservice in favour of a philosophical, symbolically rich storyline. In an actual Batman comic, Batman would have defeated The Joker in Bruce's penthouse and saved Rachel Dawes and it would be over. Comparing the comics to the movie franchise is getting away from the point in the first place.

Why does it have to be the same? Why can't there be the comics and the movies, separately? You do realize that the movies have to be easily digestible by mass market, right? I absolutely love Batman in Final Crisis for instance, but I really doubt a large scale audience would appreciate, or even understand, the events of that storyline. Comics require continuity. Movies do not. You didn't have to have seen Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America to see The Avengers. And a Justice League movie without continuity would be basically Geoff Johns' JL comic. Which is awful.

Also I think it's important to point out that the heroes in The Avengers are not in fact, the actual Avengers? Where was Wasp or Ant-Man? Vision? They took the characters with the simplest origin stories to make the original movies. You could say they picked the most realistic heroes. Easily digestible movies to lead into The Avengers. Try doing that with a JLA movie.

Finally someone else who gets it.