But still, Batman himself is watered down to fit into a world that is similar to ours. The Batman from the comics could not exist in the real world, it's as simple as that. You won't get a 30 something who is a master of hundreds of different martial arts, has PhD's coming out the ying yang. Who is as strong as an Olympic weight lifter but as agile as an Olympic gymnast. Who is a Houdini esque escape artist. Who is a Sherlock Holmes esque detective. Who still has time to run a multi billion dollar conglomerate. That is who Bruce Wayne is. And it's impossible for someone like that to exist in the real world. The world in which Nolan tries to have his movies similar to.
Now, no one is asking for a Mary Sue. But is Batman a Mary Sue in the comics? I don't think he is. Those elements are basically Batmans "superpowers". But he wasn't born with them, or given them, he worked hard for them. He travelled the world learning all this stuff.
I like Batman Begins, more than TDK, but it was the abridged Batman origin. A lot of cool and defining things were left out.
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Again, it's not just about how Batman fights (which feels very grounded and heavy), but also the world itself. No fantastical villains, no other superheroes, Gotham is just a typical American city, etc. I understand Nolan's vision, i like it quite a bit, but after it's done i'd like something closer to the comics. While i didnt enjoy Burton's movies all that much, they were closer to the comics, both tonally and visually. Mostly the first film because the second was just Burton overload.
Also, what Lord Bravery says right above this post.
So hey, how do you guys feel about Year One, Long Halloween, and the Killing Joke? All stories in which Batman is definitively less capable, less powerful, and less outright fantastic than he is in the Nolan movies? Are they unworthy of their places in Batman canon?
(Let me do you a favor and answer one for free: Long Halloween is terrible.)
I mean, what detective work does Bruce do in the films? None, unless you count the bullet scanning thing, which you shouldn't because it's a stupid deus ex machina.
When's the last time he did real detective work in the comics?
Like, apart from the zombies, i dont think Snyder's Batman is all that unrealistic. And this same Batman is in the JL and so on. So let's go even further and make those owls normal people, not zombies, and make it even more realistic. This same batman can still be in the JL.
So why not reboot batman and create a more Gothamesque Gotham, give him a more comicbooky suit (the new 52 one without the trunks would be perfect even for the movies), and more unrealistic villains? Basically, a world that's more Arkham City, than Heat 2. And then let this same Batman be in the JL.
I love you man! I thought i was the only one who hated that overrated book.(Let me do you a favor and answer one for free: Long Halloween is terrible.)
Is a valid critique of a work of art "plays nice with others?" In that case read fanfiction. I want to see Batman join up with Harry Potter. I want to see him fight Darth Vader and defeat Sauron. There's a whole world of fiction out there for Batman to interact with, curse DC for shaking their fingers and saying "NO YOU CAN'T RANDOMLY CROSS OVER WITH ANY FICTIONAL WORK, IT'S JUST DC PROPERTIES FOR YOU MISTER!"
I dont get the big deal here. Why do they NEED to go the "what if hero X existed in the real world and how would people react" with every one of them? Why cant Superman fight Luthor, Batman fight the Joker, and every 4-5 years they can team up in a JL movie and fight Darkseid? What's the big deal?
You're overdoing it now. I'm not asking for Batman to team up with Harry Potter. I'm asking for the movies to give me what i get in my comics. And that's a super genious Batman who lives in a Gotham that looks like Gotham, and who occasionally fights with the JL along with his pals Superman, WW, etc. Why is it ok for comics, or animated series and movies to do that, but movies cant?Is a valid critique of a work of art "plays nice with others?" In that case read fanfiction. I want to see Batman join up with Harry Potter. I want to see him fight Darth Vader and defeat Sauron. There's a whole world of fiction out there for Batman to interact with, curse DC for shaking their fingers and saying "NO YOU CAN'T RANDOMLY CROSS OVER WITH ANY FICTIONAL WORK, IT'S JUST DC PROPERTIES FOR YOU MISTER!"
What on earth are you talking about? Are you somehow under the impression that every single superhero movie ever made has been "what if they existed in the real world"??? Because that doesn't make any sense at all. Superhero movies that have followed that formula: Kick-Ass. Super. Hancock maybe? The League of Shadows does not exist in the real world, fyi!
Why can't your comics give you what you read in your comics? Why can't Year One give you a super genius Batman palling around with Superman? Why can't the Killing Joke give you that? Why hasn't Snyder's run given you that? You are putting every single superhero comic book ever published on one side, and every superhero movie on the other. Newsflash: one side is exponentially bigger than the other! Of course comics will always contain more than movies!