Avengers No-Prize thread - Unexplained continuity and characterization gaffes!

[lilyinblue]

How do we know it takes place after Fear Itself...?

And as for the aesthetics....its a simple thing: The artist flubbed, due to when the book was being made. They apologized. Fans are unforgiving, it seems.

I'm sorry, but "the artist flubbed" is not an in-comic explanation. You're missing the point of this thread, which is to take mistakes like that, and think of in-story ways to solve those problems.

There was an "incident" at breakfast. Poor Cap... he wound up with coffee spilled all down the front of his uniform. The other costume was the only thing he had left. Jarvis hadn't picked up all the dry cleaning yet.

[Lord Bravery]

Spider-Man:Blue was recent you didn't like that story?

Wasn't that out in 2002? So yea, 10 years. ;)

[Telos]

My bad. My blunders. Carry on, Detectives.

No worries!

Continuity gaffe: Thor being mentioned in Avengers #19 (credit to Vitruvian for noticing it here)
In the wake of Fear Itself, Thor was "killed" fighting the Serpent. In Fear Itself #7.2, during his cremation, another being called Tanarus - later revealed to be the troll Ulik in disguise - arose in his place and everybody forgot that Thor existed. Everyone remembered Tanarus as a founding Avenger, and all photographs and depictions of Thor were temporarily replaced with pictures of Tanarus. This storyline ran through Mighty Thor #8-12, which took place concurrently with Avengers #18-24.



However, during Avengers #19, Thor is mentioned multiple times by characters who should have forgotten that he existed. Captain America says something to the effect of "with Thor gone, we've lost some power". How is this possible? If Captain America and the other Avengers all seem to know he's dead, doesn't that directly conflict with the premise of Matt Fraction's arc?

[satchmo the dragon]

As for the aesthetics (Stark's suit, Cap's uniform) -- THAT has been explained ad naseum both on forums, AND in the first or second issue --in the intro-page.

No it hasn't . . .

[satchmo the dragon]

How do we know it takes place after Fear Itself...?

And as for the aesthetics....its a simple thing: The artist flubbed, due to when the book was being made. They apologized. Fans are unforgiving, it seems.

They could have easily redrawn iron man in each panel, there were enough delays you'd think they'd have time. Pure laziness = bad story.

[Blackknight75]

My question is, when and how did the Scarlet Witch forget about the death of her children? Why did it take the drunk ramblings of Janet to remind her that she once had children and that the Avengers hid their deaths from her?

There were numerous occassions during the AWC series that Wanda was able to remember her children and their tragic deaths and didn't go psycho.

So my guess is, after defeating Morgan Le Fey (for the second time) and stopping her takeover of Otherworld, Le Fey got her revenge by casting a simple memory spell, erasing all of Wanda's knowledge of her children, their lives and their deaths. After that, she just sat back and watched the chaos magic unfold.

[Telos]

My question is, when and how did the Scarlet Witch forget about the death of her children? Why did it take the drunk ramblings of Janet to remind her that she once had children and that the Avengers hid their deaths from her?

There were numerous occassions during the AWC series that Wanda was able to remember her children and their tragic deaths and didn't go psycho.

So my guess is, after defeating Morgan Le Fey (for the second time) and stopping her takeover of Otherworld, Le Fey got her revenge by casting a simple memory spell, erasing all of Wanda's knowledge of her children, their lives and their deaths. After that, she just sat back and watched the chaos magic unfold.

Great, simple explanation for a pretty plot-breaking problem, Black Knight! Kudos!

[Corey W]

Great, simple explanation for a pretty plot-breaking problem, Black Knight! Kudos!

Telos, great idea for a No Prize thread. I have always thought that Marvel should have continued giving out no prizes and in the internet age shouold have set up a web site "temporarily adopting until changed by something on panel" all of the continuity fixes that they liked. Continuity loving fans eat that stuff up and it is a fun meta-participation in the stories.

I love the explanation that Wanda was already effecting everyone during Austen's run. That is not even much of a stretch. It also arguably covers Wanda's forgetting her children as she may have affected herself as she started to lose control.

But didn't ACC deal with her forgetting the kids. I can't remember how, but I thought it did.

[whiteshark]

Loeb hasn't written a decent comic in about 10 years, that's what is wrong with him.

Have to disagree there,just speaking for recent examples i thought the Hulk stories writen by him were entertaining and remind me a lot of the tone of the classic Hulk stories.Plus Hulk which feature Red Hulk is still a ongoing title.
And Avengers X-Sanction was a cool limited series.

[Telos]

Telos, great idea for a No Prize thread. I have always thought that Marvel should have continued giving out no prizes and in the internet age shouold have set up a web site "temporarily adopting until changed by something on panel" all of the continuity fixes that they liked. Continuity loving fans eat that stuff up and it is a fun meta-participation in the stories.

Cheers! I agree, it's a shame the No-Prize tradition hasn't been continued. Since there's nothing official in regard to No-Prizing, I'll settle for this thread.

I love the explanation that Wanda was already effecting everyone during Austen's run. That is not even much of a stretch. It also arguably covers Wanda's forgetting her children as she may have affected herself as she started to lose control.

But didn't ACC deal with her forgetting the kids. I can't remember how, but I thought it did.

Thanks. Avengers Disassembled doesn't really make it clear exactly when Wanda started messing with things, and I find it odd that she would suddenly snap on an otherwise normal day. If she's been affecting everyone around her in the lead up to the event, it builds tension while simultaneously fixing all the problems of Austen's run. I don't recall Geoff Johns making any major errors during his run, but if there are any, Wanda could be applied to those as well.

I haven't actually read ACC yet, but I know the basics of the series via spoiler threads and scans. As far as I'm aware, it kind of glosses over the issue - when Wanda seeks out Doctor Doom in a flashback sequence, it's because she wants to bring back her dead kids. This would make sense, because she regained the memory of her children in Avengers West Coast #62. However, in the flashback in Avengers Disassembled, she is unaware of their existence until Wasp mentions them off-handedly, sending her into a downward spiral... weird.



Reminder to other posters - This is a continuity thread, not a creator bashing thread. Discuss Loeb elsewhere, because it's off-topic here. Thanks