I thought Wolverine didn't want to endanger children

[Dr. Sonic]

Wolverine is not the brightest, and Bobby is likely not the best accountant out there, but neither would be so stupid as to maintain the property under sole ownership - the taxes would be astronomical. The school is likely registered as a non-for-profit organization, meaning there is a board of trustees. To this extent, Logan can certainly be 'fired' from his position as headmaster. But it's a moot point. It's not going to happen in the story.

[dkostus]

Kid Krakoa is by definition Wolverine's private property, though.

Looks like we're adding even more crimes and human rights violations to Logan's resume, huh? I guess it fits in with what Chuck did to Danger while he owned the school... friggin slavers...

[DexterSinister]

Does owning the school matter? The only point of this argument was if they could remove Wolverine as Headmaster if he was a danger to the children and even if he is the legal landowner the definitive legal answer is yes. Unfortunately he doesn't have Xaviers trick of mind warping every inspector that comes by to make sure you don't use your pupils for a private army.

[darthblinx]

so Jean gets to stay the Phoenix for how long...?
(and the Avengers WERE aware of that)

but god forbid that Hope becomes the host for one second

...the F***?!

[DexterSinister]

so Jean gets to stay the Phoenix for how long...?
(and the Avengers WERE aware of that)

but god forbid that Hope becomes the host for one second

...the F***?!

The Avengers are enforcing copyright laws and cracking down on piracy.

[remydat]

I have a feeling they've been building Colossus up to flip out and do something incredibly violent and stupid and attacking Hope at just the right moment may be just that, my money is killing her when there is a big crowd and she is just about to fix the mutants.

Possibly but if Hope dies, my money is on Cyke being the one to do it followed by Emma as my 2nd choice as I mentioned. I feel those two have the best story potential to do it.

[remydat]

It doesn't matter who owns the school. Private schools have more autonomy because they don't accept public funds but they still answer to the Board of Education in their respective state. If the State of NY thinks Wolvy or the school is endangering kids it can remove him or shut the school down. And having your Principal trying to murder a kid is probably not on the list of approved actions.

[Meehl]

Well, except for the fact combat is still part of the JGS cirriculum. Logan is teaching 2 classes on it himself in fact.

It's interesting how in Schism Logan didn't have the time left over to consistently teach combat, but now that he runs an entire school he has found the time to teach.

Possibly but if Hope dies, my money is on Cyke being the one to do it followed by Emma as my 2nd choice as I mentioned. I feel those two have the best story potential to do it.

First choice is Bishop, who finally succeeds in killing Hope but triggers the explosion that wipes out all the people and eventually causes the mutant oppression that he experienced in his timeline. Spectators and witnesses who survive think Hope "causes" the explosion, hence the rumors he hears when he grows up.

Second choice is Cable, which has a lot more dramatic impact than Cyclops. Then, Cyclops, Emma, and Wolverine to round the most likely top 5.

[Optic Rage]

It's interesting how in Schism Logan didn't have the time left over to consistently teach combat, but now that he runs an entire school he has found the time to teach.

lbr it was just part of his long term plans to sabotage Utopia and Cyclops.

[remydat]

First choice is Bishop, who finally succeeds in killing Hope but triggers the explosion that wipes out all the people and eventually causes the mutant oppression that he experienced in his timeline. Spectators and witnesses who survive think Hope "causes" the explosion, hence the rumors he hears when he grows up.

Second choice is Cable, which has a lot more dramatic impact than Cyclops. Then, Cyclops, Emma, and Wolverine to round the most likely top 5.

Bishop would be too easy and it would almost feel like a reward for his stupidity. Plus if he is the cause then if he doesn't put a bullet in his head right then and there or go back in time to kill himself, it would make the character even more of a joke than he is now. I mean he killed 9 billion people when he thought it was Hope, what the hell do you do for an encore when you find out it was you.

As for Cable, I guess I view him as too much of a hardass. I always felt if he had to put a bullet in Hope tomorrow, he'd do it as if it was Poccy he was killing

[Meehl]

Bishop would be too easy and it would almost feel like a reward for his stupidity. Plus if he is the cause then if he doesn't put a bullet in his head right then and there or go back in time to kill himself, it would make the character even more of a joke than he is now. I mean he killed 9 billion people when he thought it was Hope, what the hell do you do for an encore when you find out it was you.

As for Cable, I guess I view him as too much of a hardass. I always felt if he had to put a bullet in Hope tomorrow, he'd do it as if it was Poccy he was killing

It's a common theme in science fiction that the guy who goes back in time to save the future inadvertently causes the future, or at least has serious negative repercussions. Also, it's fitting ironic punishment that his choice to kill an innocent girl (and 9 million others) causes the future timeline that he was trying to prevent. You don't reward someone for his kind of actions. You punish him. And, this is fitting punishment, whereas being abandoned and forgetting is not fitting punishment. It's also the sequence of events that would teach him the lesson he needs to grow as a character, and give him a chance at redemption. I'm not sure what you read during Messiah Complex that made you think Marvel wanted to keep Bishop from looking foolish. Everything made him look foolish.

[trajikflp]

i thought it was hilarious that he wanted the utopia kids locked up with the avengers rather than host them at his school. he didn't want to "rile" his kids up i.e. let them smell the coffee.

...had he brought the Utopia kids to the school, they would have revolted against the staff and Wolverine because even they know that Wolverine is wrong. Knowing Marvel, they're probably setting that revolt up for 2014's big crossover event. All the kids of Avengers Academy, Young Avengers, New Mutants, the school, and Utopia get super-pissed at the adults and ta-da, battle royal for the umpteenth time. It bothers me that Marvel did a pretty decent job with Civil War and an admirable job with House of M. It's like they ran out of ideas and had a contest to see which of their accomplished writers could write the crappiest stories for their respective books and laugh at us for continuing to buy their craptastic books. I mean, dear god, who's stupid idea was bringing back John Romita, Jr. No one was clamoring for him to come back.

[trajikflp]

And it's okay to brainwash the Board of Education though so despite their Danger Room facilities acting up, they have the ability to continue running. I'm really feeling like an idiot when Marvel puts out this crap.

[trajikflp]

How about the fact that if you're taking a crapper, at any given point in time either a bomb can go off or your ass is vulnerable to spike balls shooting up the plumbing and right into your poop chute? Because Wolverine authorized that, he is a danger to the kids. So are his connections to people in the crime underworld. That places anyone affiliated with him in danger.

[trajikflp]

Aren't we? The phoenix force is primal and often prone to instinctual behavior. Its hosts, once in possession of the force, tend to behave similarly. Not even almighty Jean Grey's mind could wrangle it in. The Phoenix Force is the X-Men's Galactus, but without any of that listening to reason bs.


We don't know. Phoenix did create a host body to replace the near dead Jean. It could do that ad infinitum. But that's assuming that the connection between Hope and the PF is only tenuous and fragile right now. If Hope is full on possessed, even though the raptor isn't here yet, we do know that killing the host tends to drive the PF from its body, thus averting disaster. Claremont/Byrne's run is the precedent for that.


Certainly a possibility. HOWEVER, we've yet to see whether or not her power is limited to mutant mimicking or whether or not she can do non-mutants. And, if she can do non-mutants, can she also mimic primal cosmic beings? If so, she'd be a beast up against Galactus or any of the other cosmic big-wigs. Whole lot of "ifs" here.


Clearly not, but there's no proof that it'd choose any other host at this point. More over, we're guessing that it's even headed for any x-people. Like you said, Hope could just be a bad-ass cosmic-level mimic. Again, too many variables. Can't blame Wolverine for going with his gut, as its served him well over the years. (Y'know. Except for that time when he killed all his kids. )

But what if the host ends up being Iron Fist, is Wolverine going to be doing the same thing? Shouldn't Iron Fist speak the hell up and tell Captain America what he's supposed to know about the Phoenix Force?