I thought Wolverine didn't want to endanger children

[HXHAlex]

He got mad at Cyke for teaching endangered mutant teens to be soldiers

Now Wolverine wants to kill a mutant teen. I don't understand his flip flopping on issues, and he owes Cyclops an apology. Wolvie is too idealistic, Cyke understands the world they live in and this situation is proving Cyke was right in Schism

[dr.maikel]

U are right,. Add the fact that he and Capn capture the kids on Utopia and let them join the Avengers Academy by force.

[Atom_basher]

didnt she ask him to kill her?

[ExodusCloak]

didnt she ask him to kill her?

No she didn't. He brought killing her up. She asked to be sure before he does anything and he didn't even do that. Wolverine brought the Avengers to the front lawn of his school. Their outburst puts the kids in danger, he's an ass.

[jarrod]

Hope's a construct, not a person. Doesn't count.

And considering what she just did to her "friends" it looks like Wolverine made the right call in getting as many teenagers as possible away from that dead rock. Scott keeps putting them in danger to the very end.

[motherofpearl1]

Sadly, Wolverine is so out of character these days it's hard to tell just who he is anymore. And unfortunately this seems to be a current trait among Marvel characters - just look at Storm, Cyclops, Rogue, Magneto - the list is endless.

And even the Avengers aren't the same - it's hard to associate the arrogant and overbearing man Captain America has become in the comics with the compassionate and idealistic man he's portrayed as in the current movie.

[Seresecros]

Hope's a construct, not a person. Doesn't count.

And considering what she just did to her "friends" it looks like Wolverine made the right call in getting as many teenagers as possible away from that dead rock. Scott keeps putting them in danger to the very end.

say it, Jarrod. Admit that Wolverine's side are in the wrong and Cyclops' X-Men [+Rachel] are the heroes here

[darknessatnoon]

No she didn't. He brought killing her up. She asked to be sure before he does anything and he didn't even do that. Wolverine brought the Avengers to the front lawn of his school. Their outburst puts the kids in danger, he's an ass.

I think 'make it sure' meant make certain that it sticks.

[ExodusCloak]

I think 'make it sure' meant make certain that it sticks.

I think in the Uncanny X-Men tie-in she says something like "we agreed that if things went bad, he should kill me" and then says "I told him to be sure" then follows up by something like "But it hasn't gone bad...why does no one trust me." I have to check that again though.

[cookepuss]

He got mad at Cyke for teaching endangered mutant teens to be soldiers
Now Wolverine wants to kill a mutant teen. I don't understand his flip flopping on issues, and he owes Cyclops an apology.

I don't quite see the problem. Wolverine's "issue" with Cyclops had nothing to do with killing kids. If Franklin Richards suddenly went crazy, and only Wolverine was around to stop him, that kid would lose his head lickety split. Logan would shed a tear later.

The real issue was that Logan didn't want to train the kids to be soldiers and nothing more. While he, like Xavier, believed that they should learn to defend themselves, he didn't want them to be actively put in danger. Scott not only doesn't have a problem with training the kids to be his little army, he's more than happy to send "the lights" out into the field where they could get killed. Wolverine would rather Danger Room test them at school and just let kids be kids.

Basically, Wolverine's stance on kids is the same one Xavier took when he first formed the New Mutants. I'll train you. I'll educate you. I just won't turn you into active X-Men. You're kids. You deserve to grow up and do the things kids do. You deserve your childhoods. Sending you into battle will only get you killed.

Logan didn't have much of a childhood. He knows what innocence lost feels like. He also feels that that he owes it to Idie to teach her that she's not a monster. He feels that she, as well as the others, shouldn't be used as some madman's tool in a war, which is basically what Cyclops has been preparing for. Logan wants to give them a shot at happiness, as much as anybody with an X can.

I don't see Wolverine being a hypocrite here. The big picture is, if Hope goes all Dark Phoenix 2.0 then no kid will ever be able to grow up, mutant or otherwise. There will be no tomorrow for anybody. The kids at JGS, and the happy lives he wants them to lead, simply represent a small taste of what he's really fighting for. To stops her [Hope] dead in her tracks, however distastefully, would be for the greater good. The needs of the many outweighing the needs of the one.

It's conjures up the old question. If you had a chance to go back in time and kill baby Hitler would you? Kill one baby and six million live. Let that one baby grow up to be a genocidal monster and not only do the six million die, but also their potential kids never get born. Now, we know how it turned out for the Holocaust, but Wolverine has a chance here to prevent similar destruction. Kill Hope now and 7 billion are saved on Earth alone. Let her live and Earth won't be the only cosmic Happy Meal on Phoenix's menu.

Logan doesn't owe Cyclops jack squat. Cyclops is turning into Magneto. Worse since his action seem to be giving even Magneto pause lately. Logan isn't quite the dreamer that Xavier is/was, but he's got nearly 100+ years of experience under his belt. As the only X-Man, aside from Magneto, who's actually lived through the Holocaust happen first hand, Logan knows what's at stake. Kill one kid. Save millions or billions more.

[Regino]

He got mad at Cyke for teaching endangered mutant teens to be soldiers

Now Wolverine wants to kill a mutant teen. I don't understand his flip flopping on issues, and he owes Cyclops an apology. Wolvie is too idealistic, Cyke understands the world they live in and this situation is proving Cyke was right in Schism

I know it's hard, but stretch logic and you will find the answer. Wolvie doesn't want kids fighting. It's ok for Wolvie to fight. Wolvie is not a kid. It's all good.