Mystique vs Sabretooth

[The Drunkard Kid]

Given that real wolverine cut her fake claws in half with ease I doubt they'll stand up that well to Creed, who as was pointed out outright broke Logan's bone claws. Also I wonder, if you cut her "clothes" while she's shifted are you in fact cutting her?

To be fair, Wolverine had adamantium claws which cut through her claws, a brick wall, a chain link fence, etc... with just as much ease. In X:OW, adamantium and even bone claws were shanking Creed without any difficulty either. Yeah, he can just snap hers off, but she did regrow them later on so she'd still probably be able to stab him throughout the fight, though that barely seems to annoy him from all the times Logan did that during their fights in the Origins movie.

[The Drunkard Kid]

those r fighting words there charlie chill. Just cause a majority doesn't agree with one that doesn't make the other wrong. Apperenty some folks don't like to accept feats. I provided mine with mystique handling someone with adamntium in comparison vs someone without it.
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The thing is that she didn't "handle" adamantium Wolverine. She managed to do pretty much nothing except bat him around uselessly for about a minute and then break away from him (both times using environmental factors not present in this fight) before he oneshot her with a suckerpunch the next time they encountered one another. Against a guy that's much stronger than X1 Wolverine, in an open arena with no cover or chains/fence/etc., and with a healing factor that can shrug off anything she tries to do to him, she's kinda boned.

[Hiromi]

To be fair, Wolverine had adamantium claws which cut through her claws, a brick wall, a chain link fence, etc... with just as much ease. In X:OW, adamantium and even bone claws were shanking Creed without any difficulty either. Yeah, he can just snap hers off, but she did regrow them later on so she'd still probably be able to stab him throughout the fight, though that barely seems to annoy him from all the times Logan did that during their fights in the Origins movie.

And at the same time her claws have no feats other than being cut through by Wolvie's claws. In fact given that they're made from... well from her, I don't see why they should be any stronger than something like her bone.

[Deadman25]

The thing is that she didn't "handle" adamantium Wolverine. She managed to do pretty much nothing except bat him around uselessly for about a minute and then break away from him (both times using environmental factors not present in this fight) before he oneshot her with a suckerpunch the next time they encountered one another. Against a guy that's much stronger than X1 Wolverine, in an open arena with no cover or chains/fence/etc., and with a healing factor that can shrug off anything she tries to do to him, she's kinda boned.

I see where you are getting at but the only reason she got stabbed is cause she shapeshifted into storm or Jean I believe and said we need to regroup. She was not aware of Logan able to detect folks by scent. So she was not ready for him turning around and stabbing her. if he was facing her and took out his claw,s she could have defended herself better. but she was fast enought earlier in the film to dodge his attacks and land multiple hits on him. If Adamantium logan is fast enough to dodge or land hits on Creed why wouldnt Mystique be fast enough for creed ? see my point ?

[Surtur]

Just cause a majority doesn't agree with one that doesn't make the other wrong.

It does when the majority of the people are using actual facts to back up their statements. This isn't just an opinion, the on screen feats of the characters pretty much confirm everything being said. This isn't something entirely subjective like who is a cooler character or something.

Apperenty some folks don't like to accept feats. I provided mine with mystique handling someone with adamntium in comparison vs someone without it.

You said Wolverine from the X films was stronger, apparently not accepting the "gets taken down by a single bullet" feat".

Also I'm confused, before you said Mystique can give Viktor a good fight. That sounded to me like you were saying Mystique loses, but makes him work for the win. It sounds now like you seem to think she will win, unless I'm misinterpreting something.

If Adamantium logan is fast enough to dodge or land hits on Creed why wouldnt Mystique be fast enough for creed ? see my point ?

Fast enough for..what? She isn't fast to the point where she can avoid getting hit forever. Heck Viktor fought a teleporter and IIRC adapted to him teleporting around by anticipating where he was going to be instead of trying to hit where he was at the time. Though I guess one could argue he had worked with the guy a long time and knew his fighting style.

Also, there's a good chance Viktor actually punched straight through a person(his fight with the teleporter). I can't remember if he punched through him or if the guy somehow teleported somewhere and Viktor's fist was there already.

[Deadman25]

It does when the majority of the people are using actual facts to back up their statements. This isn't just an opinion, the on screen feats of the characters pretty much confirm everything being said. This isn't something entirely subjective like who is a cooler character or something.



You said Wolverine from the X films was stronger, apparently not accepting the "gets taken down by a single bullet" feat".

Also I'm confused, before you said Mystique can give Viktor a good fight. That sounded to me like you were saying Mystique loses, but makes him work for the win. It sounds now like you seem to think she will win, unless I'm misinterpreting something.



Fast enough for..what? She isn't fast to the point where she can avoid getting hit forever. Heck Viktor fought a teleporter and IIRC adapted to him teleporting around by anticipating where he was going to be instead of trying to hit where he was at the time. Though I guess one could argue he had worked with the guy a long time and knew his fighting style.

Also, there's a good chance Viktor actually punched straight through a person(his fight with the teleporter). I can't remember if he punched through him or if the guy somehow teleported somewhere and Viktor's fist was there already.

I said Mystique can give a victor a good fight, Yes I give the edge to creed for the healing. I was backing up Mystique cause alot are making it sound like he can one shot her as if creed had some kinda HULK amp in the movie or something. I never said she won the fight. I just think she could still give creed a sweat after Logan being able to handle him and her handling logan.

and I provided my feats that are on screen through out the entire thread, just a majority do not agree or apparentdly do not want to accept them, that does not mean I am wrong. Welcome to forums, not everyone is going to agree with you.

[Deadman25]

Given that real wolverine cut her fake claws in half with ease I doubt they'll stand up that well to Creed, who as was pointed out outright broke Logan's bone claws. Also I wonder, if you cut her "clothes" while she's shifted are you in fact cutting her?

So creeds Bone claws of a bag lady >>>>> Logans adamantium Claws ?

[Hiromi]

Right because being cut through by wolvie's claws suddenly make her claws anywhere remotely close to them? As I said given that she had no feats for them other than being cut through by Logan's claws, and given that they're made from her actual body, the hardest you can really spot them is the equivalent to bone, how did Creed handle bone claws again?

[The Drunkard Kid]

Right because being cut through by wolvie's claws suddenly make her claws anywhere remotely close to them? As I said given that she had no feats for them other than being cut through by Logan's claws, and given that they're made from her actual body, the hardest you can really spot them is the equivalent to bone, how did Creed handle bone claws again?

He got stabbed by them easily enough, it just didn't really bother him and he eventually snapped them.

Honestly, it was the adamantium skeleton that probably gave Logan an edge in a fight against Creed since Vic tended to school Logan in their fights even before he eventually decided to snap the bone claws (presumably in order to specifically drive him to the adamantium procedure), though removing the possibility of that happening again is definitely a plus. Mystique, OTOH, just grew new claws after Logan shanked her while she was disguised as Storm, and general lack of feats aside, they're almost certainly strong enough to stab at least a normal human considering that she's an experienced assassin that was planning to use those claws to kill/wound Cyclops and Logan.

Was she the one that cut the power wires and that cable that held up the door at the start of that scene, or was it Logan?

[Hiromi]

I said Mystique can give a victor a good fight, Yes I give the edge to creed for the healing. I was backing up Mystique cause alot are making it sound like he can one shot her as if creed had some kinda HULK amp in the movie or something.

One shot, oh you mean like Wolverine did? Or are Creed's "can cut through a car door by lightly running them over it" claws suddenly just going to tickle her?

I never said she won the fight. I just think she could still give creed a sweat after Logan being able to handle him and her handling logan.

And as I and other have pointed out Logan was not able to "handle him" for the vast majority of Origins. You also claimed that Logan in X1-3 had better feats than he did in Origins, which you were promptly called out on being completely wrong about. Oh, and that little skewer the gut thing that put Mystique out so nicely? He did it multiple times to Creed in both Origins and X1, none of which put him out of the fight, or even slowed him down really. That Creed also took numerous blows as well as a SUSTAINED OPTIC BLAST from Barakapool, and got back up without any sign of injury. Not to mention the montage of all the wars he'd been through which involved him trucking straight through gun fire AND a firing squad. Mystique. Can. Not. Hurt. Him.

and I provided my feats that are on screen through out the entire thread, just a majority do not agree or apparentdly do not want to accept them, that does not mean I am wrong. Welcome to forums, not everyone is going to agree with you.

Or maybe you're just misrepresenting feats and everyone else is calling you out on it.

[Hiromi]

He got stabbed by them easily enough, it just didn't really bother him and he eventually snapped them.

Honestly, it was the adamantium skeleton that probably gave Logan an edge in a fight against Creed since Vic tended to school Logan in their fights even before he eventually decided to snap the bone claws (presumably in order to specifically drive him to the adamantium procedure), though removing the possibility of that happening again is definitely a plus. Mystique, OTOH, just grew new claws after Logan shanked her while she was disguised as Storm, and general lack of feats aside, they're almost certainly strong enough to stab at least a normal human considering that she's an experienced assassin that was planning to use those claws to kill/wound Cyclops and Logan.

Was she the one that cut the power wires and that cable that held up the door at the start of that scene, or was it Logan?

Sharpness isn't really the issue, Creed no sold Logan's claws numerous times throughout Origins, both metal and bone.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Sharpness isn't really the issue, Creed no sold Logan's claws numerous times throughout Origins, both metal and bone.

Well yeah. I was only addressing the part where people were saying that she didn't have a bladed weapon. I already admitted that he'd pretty much laugh at her claws; its just a better option than just punching/kicking him with less than Wolverine levels of strength.

[K Von Doom]

What are Sabretooth's strength feats?

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

To add to that, what speed feats did Sabertooth have that put him in Mystiquie league speed-wise?

Regardless, Mystique could only really with if she twisted his head clean to the other side and then used his claws to get him to cut his head off.

[The Drunkard Kid]

In X1, ISTR him throwing a tree at Logan and sending him flying with a hit, though I may be misremembering it.

in X:OW, chucking Logan through a wooden door, stomping Logan's bone claws out with the right leverage, pulling his hand out of Wraith's chest after Wraith materializes around it by accident, and ISTR other fairly impressive stuff as well.

Of course, strength isn't that big of a factor since both versions have claws, and X:OW version was casually carving through car doors with his.

And while Mystique was faster than Logan, it wasn't like she was a bullet timer or anything since she still had to block strikes from Wolvie at times, so its not like she's a whole other tier of speed than Sabretooth.