Batman #9 Preview/Discussion SPOILERS

[Kiryu]

I'm not trying to slam Morrison. How is it that some people cannot tolerate anything negative being said about this man? I don't see how even the most ardent fan can claim that he hasn't had trouble with deadlines in the past. I just don't think it's fair to dump on DC saying "it's all their fault that Batman Inc has been gone so long." Morrison's earlier delays certainly played a role as well.

No one cares if you say anything negative Jim, it's just you have a pattern of going after him and ignoring the facts when you do so. Be as negative as you want, but at least put all the facts on the table and be honest. It's not fair for people to dump on DC but it is for you to dump on Morrison while absolving DC? The man's already talked - at length, about the delays. So have his collaborators. It's obviously a combination of factors and obviously rewriting and re-prioritizing their talent changed their schedule. So when you say, "How is DC even remotely responsible for the hiatus" and people explain to you, how, they are in fact partly to blame, and your response is to act like people are going out of there were to defend someone at any negative comment made, it's bs.

No one took it bad you said anything about a creator you don't like, folk just corrected the errors in your argument with facts. Pretty simple. Your post is nothing but speculation which contradicts things from the writer of the book and the artists of the book, so excuse me while I take their word for it over yours.

[Jake Fury]

When the going gets tough, the tough use their T-Rex.

[HasbroSlayer84]

Great story in this issue and I loved the fight between Batman and the owls. I did think the T-rex and the silly cold repellent outfit were silly but it was all good. Fun read.

[PsychoGoatee]

Those flashbacks could just as easily be fabricated stories. Nothing says the events shown actually occurred (who was there to corroborate, where's the physical artifacts?) in fact quite the opposite there's no firm evidence of the Owls actually doing anything in Gotham before now

I disagree there, since the flashbacks are scenes in the comic us viewers are seeing, rather than something somebody is telling Batman, they have to be true. For example, Catwoman #9 shows a scene with Owls in the time of the redcoats. These can't be lies since nobody is telling them to anyone, it's just for us readers. Saying events we read weren't real would not make sense, and would definitely feel like a major copout.

That said, I do hope that to some degree the menace of the Court of Owls is exaggerated and not true, since for example them controlling everything in Gotham since before it existed does kind of limit future stories. At the very least, I do hope Snyder avoids tying them into the death of Bruce's parents as the back-up story seems to be hinting at. But either way, even if he does mess with Batman's origins there, while I wouldn't dig it, it's the future of Batman and the series that matters most.

Speaking of which, very much enjoyed these recent issues, it's big and fun and nicely done. While at times before the labyrinth I felt this arc was slow going, knowing that we only have two issues left for everything to unfold has me excited.

[psynetrix]

While the main story was all about tying it all together for those who followed "Night of the Owls," the backup feature was probably the best part of the issue. Adding Alfred's dad to Bruce's early years, plus his statement about Martha Wayne, were quite ballsy moves.

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[Jr. Wormwood]

I just re-read the entire arc, Batman 1-9. Reading the whole thing in one shot really makes me want to collect the Owls tie-ins too.

This is how I read it, although I started when issue 7 had just come out. I've always loved Batman, but with the relaunch I thought it was time to jump in with both feet into the DC universe. Really glad I did as there's some fun stuff here that I never would have known about if it weren't for the relaunch.

Snyder's really impressing me and I'm going to be getting Black Mirror. He's made me a regular Bats reader again after years of not being one.

Same! Went back and picked up Black Mirror. Only read the first bit of it, but I love it.

[adkal]

Linking this back to issue 9 of Dark Knight, does anyone know why Batman didn't bother to investigate a costumed murderer he encountered in his first year?






Also, when does the second fight (in DK) take place? ;) After Bruce made the statement at the end of Batman #9 or before that? :P

(we really need a 'lol' smiley on these boards...)

[maxpower00044]

Linking this back to issue 9 of Dark Knight, does anyone know why Batman didn't bother to investigate a costumed murderer he encountered in his first year?






Also, when does the second fight (in DK) take place? ;) After Bruce made the statement at the end of Batman #9 or before that? :P

(we really need a 'lol' smiley on these boards...)

The Talon tells the court their encounter was brief. I'm sure Batman just thought he was just another masked villain. Since it's Batman's first year, it can be chalked up to him not following up on this case properly. (or not having enough clues to even be able to follow it)

It happens after the last scene in Batman 9. In TDK 9, you clearly see the conversation Batman and March are having (Batman 9) through the Talon's eyes.

[adkal]

The Talon tells the court their encounter was brief. I'm sure Batman just thought he was just another masked villain.

A 'masked villain' who committed murder.

Why is that being brushed aside?

It doesn't matter how brief their encounter was, Batman would have investigated the guy.

It happens after the last scene in Batman 9. In TDK 9, you clearly see the conversation Batman and March are having through the Talon's eyes.

Yet in Batman March is on the floor whereas over in Dark Knight he's still in the chair ;)

(hence my request for a 'lol' smiley ;) )

[maxpower00044]

A 'masked villain' who committed murder.

Why is that being brushed aside?




Yet in Batman March is on the floor whereas over in Dark Knight he's still in the chair ;)

(hence my request for a 'lol' smiley ;) )

- refer to my edit. Interpret it how you like, but that's how I see it.

- I remember Lincoln March being in the chair in batman 9, too.

[adkal]

- refer to my edit. Interpret it how you like, but that's how I see it.

It just, personally, doesn't jibe with how Batman is. We already know how sloppy this Talon was getting and, whilst I can appreciate the Court doing some cover-up work, Bruce is supposed to be 'the World's Greatest Detective'...

- I remember Lincoln March being in the chair in batman 9, too.

No, Batman's standing over his body which is on the floor - several of us commented on this 'move' when the issue came out as we couldn't figure out why Bruce would put him on the floor after he had died...

[DragonPiece]

Linking this back to issue 9 of Dark Knight, does anyone know why Batman didn't bother to investigate a costumed murderer he encountered in his first year?

That's just a plot hole that will probably never get answered.

Also, when does the second fight (in DK) take place? ;) After Bruce made the statement at the end of Batman #9 or before that? :P

(we really need a 'lol' smiley on these boards...)

Since we haven't seen Batman #10 yet we don't know.

[maxpower00044]

It just, personally, doesn't jibe with how Batman is. We already know how sloppy this Talon was getting and, whilst I can appreciate the Court doing some cover-up work, Bruce is supposed to be 'the World's Greatest Detective'

You mean the same Batman that messed up a lot in his first year? Even to the point where he almost gets bested by three no-names on a fire escape? (and a tv smashed over his head?) it's no secret that Batman had his share of mistakes in his first year. This is just another one.

[adkal]

You mean the same Batman that messed up a lot in his first year? Even to the point where he almost gets bested by three no-names on a fire escape? (and a tv smashed over his head?) it's no secret that Batman had his share of mistakes in his first year. This is just another one.

Physical and combat errors are one thing, a detective error is something else - first and foremost, Batman is a detective, the physical stuff is an 'accompaniment' to that. Again, that's a personal view.

[maxpower00044]

Physical and combat errors are one thing, a detective error is something else - first and foremost, Batman is a detective, the physical stuff is an 'accompaniment' to that. Again, that's a personal view.

Fair, enough. I just feel he had to learn to be 'World's Greatest Detective', just like he had to learn to fight.