Defenders #6 *Spoilers*

**Prince Of Orphans** · 05-07-2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Rheged

He's a time travel Danny Rand with amnesia? Or he's lying to everyone, including himself?

Either way can work. Although it can't happen. That would mean every time Orson gave his chi to Danny, his powers would just get continually stacked to a ridiculous level every time that happened.

Now my head hurts...

**Monty_Cristo** · 05-07-2012, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by themortalfist

you can say that again! But i'll hand it to Fraction, this is one thing he's proven to be very good at with Casanova is playing with time and plot. and I think that's what's making Defenders a lot more fun than Mighty Thor (which i'm enjoying. but not on the same level). If -- and this is a big if -- he has an explanation for Orson's white turtleneck, and for why PoO has gone rogue (remember, everyone's a hero in their own story), and what type of time travel Danny did (if any), then I'll be stoked. It's a vast improvement over the type of odd retcon involving Iron fist and K'un-Lun that showed up in the last New Avengers.

i'm hoping for a long drawn-out 'Lost' style non-reveal. like eventually everyone in the cast will take turns wearing a white sweater.

**Monty_Cristo** · 05-07-2012, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by The Iron Fist

dude in the turban appeared in Marvel Two-In-One # 5; Zakkor the magician. he was also in one of the handbooks (along w/ the invaders and a few other timely characters). on Aman's team, i think i recognized Mister E or, at least, one of the Twelve. i guess the kid could have been Jimmy Everett. i wonder who that country bumpkin is in the above pic.

there's also this for another defenders appearance of Zakkor
http://www.defenders.ca/summary/defe29.htm

**Sebastos** · 05-07-2012, 07:35 PM

Waaaaait a minute, the guy in the turban is Shadu the Shady, member of the Confederates of the Curious and first appeared in Immortal Iron Fist Annual #1 and later appeared again in The Immortal Iron Fist: Orson Randall and the Green Mist of Death...

Shadu was a mystic and owner of the mystical item known as the "Aural Eye of Asmodel", similarities to Dr. Strange anyone?

http://marvel.com/universe/Aural_Eye_of_Asmodel

Danny = Orson and Shadu = Stephen?

**chariset** · 05-07-2012, 07:51 PM

I think you're onto something, Iron Fist.

The big man ("Chores"?) is the Hulk analogue, though he might represent Surfer and the Contessa represents Red She-Hulk... or Shulkie represents both. Though the Contessa's so blonde it's almost white -- Clea?! Black Cat?

Perhaps two of them are going to be the ones Nick Fury and Ant Man stand-in for.

What worries me is that Princess Fen, Nemo, and Leonard McKenzie are in Aman's protect-the-Engines group, which may mean Namor stands with them.

**Monty_Cristo** · 05-07-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by The Iron Fist

Waaaaait a minute, the guy in the turban is Shadu the Shady, member of the Confederates of the Curious and first appeared in Immortal Iron Fist Annual #1 and later appeared again in The Immortal Iron Fist: Orson Randall and the Green Mist of Death...

Shadu was a mystic and owner of the mystical item known as the "Aural Eye of Asmodel", similarities to Dr. Strange anyone?

http://marvel.com/universe/Aural_Eye_of_Asmodel

Danny = Orson and Shadu = Stephen?

greatly appreciated. you've saved me some considerable research.

**Monty_Cristo** · 05-07-2012, 08:36 PM

does anyone have a picture of Aman's group?

**HeroxMatt2.0** · 05-08-2012, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo

does anyone have a picture of Aman's group?

Here you go, Monty.

**Rheged** · 05-08-2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo

i'm hoping for a long drawn-out 'Lost' style non-reveal. like eventually everyone in the cast will take turns wearing a white sweater.

This would be awesome!

**Monty_Cristo** · 05-08-2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by HeroxMatt2.0

Here you go, Monty.

thanks! greatly appreciated!

**Sebastos** · 05-08-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by chariset

I think you're onto something, Iron Fist.

The big man ("Chores"?) is the Hulk analogue, though he might represent Surfer and the Contessa represents Red She-Hulk... or Shulkie represents both. Though the Contessa's so blonde it's almost white -- Clea?! Black Cat?

Perhaps two of them are going to be the ones Nick Fury and Ant Man stand-in for.

What worries me is that Princess Fen, Nemo, and Leonard McKenzie are in Aman's protect-the-Engines group, which may mean Namor stands with them.

Seamus MacGillicuddy aka Chores was a circus strongman before joining Orson and the Confederates of the Curious. There really are a few similarities between the COTC and the Defenders. Fraction did say this book would be full of coincidences...*ponders*

Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo

greatly appreciated. you've saved me some considerable research.

No problemo! Have you figured out who some of these members are on John's team? I think the big guy could be a past Fat Cobra.

**Monty_Cristo** · 05-08-2012, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Iron Fist

No problemo! Have you figured out who some of these members are on John's team? I think the big guy could be a past Fat Cobra.

i haven't a clue beyond Nemo, Fen, and maybe Mister E. woman in the black might be a Black Cat stand-in.

**Sebastos** · 05-09-2012, 08:48 AM

I asked Fraction who they were and he answered:

Originally Posted by Matt Fraction

They are.. well, like the immortal weapons and the iron fist timeline, they are all immaculately planned out in their detail (if not execution) in my notebooks. if i have a chance to get it down on the page, i will. you'll get hints and teases in future DEFENDERS issues and... and who knows?

Some hints: pay attention to the lineup. Watch who comes and goes; that's a clue. It's something like a LEAUGE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN, almost. Not deliberately, but... well. I don't want to say more.

Oh! Tell you what, pick up Blake Bell's excellent Bill Everett bio and his collection of Everett comics to read the real and true secret origins of John Aman-- the green mist OF! DEATH! -- as they called him. Anyone that says he's not supposed to be acting villainously doesn't know their "censored" history...!

(thanks and i hope you keep enjoying -- coming up with this ridiculous stuff, this dumb level of detail, is part of the job i love. the joy of just Making Stuff Up is unparalleled in this life...)

*ponders* Also, he's right about Aman, really glad he brought that up.

**Rheged** · 05-09-2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by The Iron Fist

I asked Fraction who they were and he answered:

*ponders* Also, he's right about Aman, really glad he brought that up.

Coolness! Thanks for asking him.

I haven't picked up Blake Bell's second book of stories, but I will also recommend his excellent biography on Bill Everett ... for obvious reasons.

**Prince Of Orphans** · 05-09-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Iron Fist

*ponders* Also, he's right about Aman, really glad he brought that up.

Doesn't mean i have to like it!!!!!!!!

I was under the impression that Brubaker and Fraction's Immortal Iron Fist was a re-imagining of past characters, including John Aman, who doesn't have to be acting like he is, but I guess when it's convenient it can be justified. If Fraction wants to suddenly go by characterisation over 50 years old, rather than the characterisation he and Brubaker established, I guess i can't say he's technically wrong, just that i don't support that direction. Is he going to start calling him Amazing Man next too?