And I've more or less abandoned DC anyway.
And I've more or less abandoned DC anyway.
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I'm not getting them, myself. It's not because of the controversy, just my personal feelings. Watchmen changed the way the world views comics and I feel it doesn't need revised or expanded upon. I look at it like I do the Star Wars Special Editions...you don't need to mess with perfection. Watchmen is fine the way it is. That's the way it was meant to be and that's fine by me.
And Moore used them for scenes in his child porn bacchanal; not what they were intended for at all.
He didn't have lawyer read his contract?2. None of those creators were encouraged to sign contracts that were specifically worded to take advantage of their trust. None of those creators were screwed out of the rights to their creations by technicalities.
But the characters weren't his. They were all based on Charlton characters DC owned. And sorry, I didn't recall the Red Scare, Nixon, and nuclear catastrophe as topics invented by Moore.3. The world into which Moore placed those characters was entirely of his own invention. He built a world around them (loosely based off of historical Earth), he created the plot, he invented the challenges they faced. None of that is true of Before Watchmen: all of the characters will inhabit the exact same world and timeline Moore created, and the stories are based off of flashbacks and references to their past that Alan inserted in to the Watchmen book.
He's angry at people who didn't wrong him. He should be pissed at himself for not getting a lawyer to comb through his contract. He was dizzy with all the money he was making.As to all the characterizations of Moore as a crazy, bitter old man, if you've ever seen a video interview of him you'd know that they are patently false. He's always seemed a genial, intelligent, humorous old fellow to me.
And what about Gibbons? Does his opinion not count for shit?
Yeah, DC's characters. That means they can do what they want with them. DC hasn't done anything wrong, legally.But then, so many people are so addicted to DC's characters that they'll gladly turn around and spit on anyone who badmouths the corporation, even the people responsible for actually creating the stories they love so much.
The ethics are shady, yes, but that doesn't stop people from buying Superman and over half the Marvel universe month in, month out.
Put your habit where your mouth is. Drop all products from DC and Marvel in protest.
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And that Minutemen comic is good enough for me.
Are some people language-challenged? Gibbons doesn't support the project, he gave the most lukewarm quote I have ever seen. Hardly an endorsermernt.
Peter Pan was in the public domain when Moore started using it in 1989 then there was a law voted that put it back in the private domain for a few years. It is in the public domain now. Irrelevant anyway as it isn't about Peter Pan nor a Peter Pan sequel. Shows how ill-informed some people are.
And I notice there are still people who believe the Watchmen characters were based on the Charlton heroes in spite of at least two comic book legends article devoted to the subject. DC has carefully forwarded that legend with the backmatter in their Watchmen editions, another demonstration of their duplicity.
Last edited by Leocomix; 05-03-2012 at 02:55 AM.
I've never been interested in this and the controversy hasn't affected me one bit.
Watchmen was a done in one and doesn't need any more exploration (IMO).
I am DEFINITELY NOT getting this.
Adults struggle desperately with fiction, demanding constantly that it conform to the rules of everyday life when the answer is obvious to the smallest child: because it's not real. - Grant Morrison
I wonder if it will do Avengers vs X-men numbers.
It seems that a lot of people are turned off. But they more than likely will sell very well.
I'm not against using someone else's characters in ways contrary to what their creators apparently intended, and I hold that view regardless of whether or not I'm interested in the story itself (sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not). What I am against is the "Moore can use public domain characters any way he wants" argument, because I still see an element of hypocrisy in it. Whether or not the ethics behind the contract are shady, the contract Moore signed means the rights to the Watchmen characters belong to DC, and DC is exercising its right to use those characters however they want to.
I'm also against the "Watchmen was complete in itself, so no one else should write about it" argument. IMO it's hypocritical to follow that line of reasoning and yet condone the work Moore has done with public domain characters, since the creators of those characters intended for their stories to be complete unto themselves as well (unless, of course, the creators themselves wrote the sequels).
What springs to mind for me is a comparison with Frank Herbert's Dune... the original book was mind-blowingly awesome.. it changed science fiction forever.. And now, the market is flooded with lots and lots of additional Dune novels on top of the original series. Why? Because there's a market for them.. people want to read the further adventures (or previous as the case may be) of the Atreides.. but they aren't expecting another earth shattering moment of pure sci-fi bliss.. just a fun engaging romp.
same thing here. I don't expect Before Watchmen to have this great impact on comics like the original did, so I'm gonna skip it, i've got enough comics in my pull list... and in a sad sort of way, I've learned my lesson about buying into DC's hyped events.. 52 blah.
(though conversely, i gobble up every Dune book i can lay my hands on.. but i'll pipe down before i start some kind of Moore vs Herbert discussion.. where ultimately Tolkien climbs into the ring and takes a chair to both of them)
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