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    Quote Originally Posted by vaffrey View Post
    Isn't the current book steadily dropping readers? Now 20K or so off from the first issue?

    And the truth is, for quite some time WW wasn't written this way before the reboot.
    Every book has lost sales since their #1. The point is that WW is still DC's 14th best seller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolStrick View Post
    A co-worker made me buy this issue. Last year he was really jazzed about the nu52, but since then thinks DC has become absolute crap, which made this recommendation stand out for me. I'm not keen about the WW suit, and not keen that this WW can't be Diana, but Nubia is okay I suppose. Too bad they used whatsitsface Island on Krypton, the place where (in Universe-1) all the Blacks on that planet lived separate from the whites. When it was first presented, I said, WTHeyyyy?! I mean, what WERE they thinking? And now it's back. Vathlo Island, that's it.

    Anyway, what struck me the most about this issue is THIS IS THE WAY I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WONDER WOMAN WRITTEN!!!!

    No, not the Nubia part. The Superman part. To me, he's not acting like Superman in this; he's acting like Wonder Woman.

    And isn't he/she terrific? Actually working with several levels of devoted teams to CHANGE THE WORLD FOR THE BETTER. He/she is a brilliant tactician, confidently able to solve a crisis both without using his/her fists and with. So definitely Wonder Woman. Superman? He's the guy who, as Clark Kent, uncovers something bad going on and then, as Superman, punches its lights out. He's a protector, not a proactivist. (Is there such a word?)

    Such an interesting issue. Btw, my coworker wants DC to ditch the regular Supes and use this guy instead. He also much prefers the JLA presented here, as it was an actual team that works together in a professional manner.
    Interesting.
    Superman was a activist-type character back in the late 30s and 40s (from the very start). He was a very socialist kind of superhero who stood up for
    the little man against big businesses and so forth... Hence him smashing that car into a wall in Action Comics #1 and all those guys in suits running away.
    It seems like to me that Morrison's trying to bring back what he used to be (before WW was even around).

    I have to admit however, I think WW can represent this kind of stuff more better as things stand, or at least have the potential to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaffrey View Post
    You know, before Flashpoint, these two actually could have worked.

    The pre-Crisis WW lore had it that every woman really could become a Wonder Woman, with Amazon Training. There was a Marston issue with a Holliday College girl becoming truly superhuman after a little Amazon training, only when she decided to doff the heavy metal bracelets for flimsy plastic ones, she gave away her constant reminder of the need to keep oneself in check and started going off the rails.

    And before Flashpoint, the Amazons were peaceful and truly did appreciate others, to the point of setting up Reform Island as a service to humanity.
    Well said, Vaffrey. Amazon training for all, and Reformation Island for those who don't behave. ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by kingsyn View Post
    Interesting.
    Superman was a activist-type character back in the late 30s and 40s (from the very start). He was a very socialist kind of superhero who stood up for
    the little man against big businesses and so forth... Hence him smashing that car into a wall in Action Comics #1 and all those guys in suits running away.
    It seems like to me that Morrison's trying to bring back what he used to be (before WW was even around).

    I have to admit however, I think WW can represent this kind of stuff more better as things stand, or at least have the potential to do so.
    I like Superman the activist, but he was more likely to smash that car into something that he was to form the 'Super Scouts.'
    "... Act, that each tomorrow find us farther than today."
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    That is what i like about Marvel UU you can do stuff like this in get away with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveGus View Post
    That's Gene Ha, isn't it? Not really been impressed with him before. Like how the tiara is a uraeus. May need to pick one up next week.
    Blasphemey! Gene Ha's artwork is fantastic. I love it


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    Quote Originally Posted by Free-Man View Post
    This, and while I understand your point AmericanWonder, the "He's a loner who doesn't play well with others" thing doesn't really hold weight when you consider that he has a pretty large supporting cast of other vigilantes who he either personally trained or approved of, and has been a charter member of the Justice League since the early 60's. And then more recently he had a popular cartoon where the entire premise was him teaming up with other heroes every week.

    I'm sure there are a lot of fans who still cling to the idea of him as a twisted loner slinking through the shadows, but that isn't the only valid interpretation of the mythos.
    Don't forget The Outsiders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaffrey View Post
    You know, before Flashpoint, these two actually could have worked.

    The pre-Crisis WW lore had it that every woman really could become a Wonder Woman, with Amazon Training. There was a Marston issue with a Holliday College girl becoming truly superhuman after a little Amazon training, only when she decided to doff the heavy metal bracelets for flimsy plastic ones, she gave away her constant reminder of the need to keep oneself in check and started going off the rails.
    If I am not mistaken, they apparently kept that inner perception going up untill FP, like Holly Robinson and Harley Quinn didnt seem at all surprised when they went through Granny Goddness' Amazon Bootcamp and came out better for it.

    And before Flashpoint, the Amazons were peaceful and truly did appreciate others, to the point of setting up Reform Island as a service to humanity.
    To my knowledge Reformation Island was a golden age concept that turned a few people around (most prominently Paula Von Gunther) but it was never seen after COIE. Likewise I seem to remember the Amazons hospitality dropping at the same time, they might help shipwrecked people who drifted ashore but they didn't really like if people showed up without someone they trusted (like Donna or Diana).

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