Avengers Academy #29 *Spoilers*

[Tiamatican]

When Pym said that they had telepathic dampers, What do you think happens to Martha then?

Sensory deprivation is not torture?

See above. Pym says he's blocking mind control. Odds are very good that telepathic communication is still available. If not, I'm sure Jeffries would be authorized to make adjustments to restore her telepathic communication.

[StoneGold]

When Pym said that they had telepathic dampers, What do you think happens to Martha then?

When he does, then I'll be worried. But as mentioned several times, the countermeasures specifically mentioned are for teleportation and mind control. Not garden variety telepathy.

[Rheged]

That may be the case with Martha, but I'm curious to see how they are humanely handling accommodating a water breather. I may have to find another store to get a copy of this issue.

I loved the new issue, just like most of the old ones. Was hoping the kids would get on better. Show the adults a thing or two. You would think Utopia would have an emergency evac plan for the teens, although, I think everyone knows they are safe with the Avengers. In the old days at Marvel, this nannying of teens wouldn't have happened. It is strange. I guess just a dose of reality and a sign of the times. Still a force field seems prison-like. Even if it is only for a few days and/or hours.

Growing up with the Legion, I want to scream out "they can look out for themselves." Maybe not the best example for kids though. Of course this would defeat the whole idea of Avengers Acadamy in the first place and we wouldn't want that. Some small part of me still misses the whole pre-registration, non-government involved Marvel Universe of old. The government screws everything up. But, they still claim to know better than us. These individuals, who like everyone else can make mistakes, were just so free back then. And now, today like everyone else, we are all much, much smaller.

I tend to think the Utopian 'kids' CAN take care of themselves. Cap seems to be using the words 'protective custody' a lot lately, and it seems to actually mean, he wants to make sure someone isn't a threat to him and his.

And yes, you WOULD think an alleged tactical genius like Cyke would have a basic emergency evac plan in place, wouldn't you? Methinks, we should be asking, who is really watching who?

[LeonardEugenius]

Telepathy is being circumvented all too easily. First telepathic tasers, now mind control is just blocked. I'm not on the "Martha is being tortured" train, but I would like the issue to be explained a little in the book. How does he differentiate between basic telepathic communication and mind control?

[mikekerrIII]

Telepathy is being circumvented all to easily. First telepathic tasers, now mind control is just blocked. I'm not on the "Martha is being tortured" train, but I would like the issue to be explained a little in the book. How does he differentiate between basic telepathic communication and mind control?

I wonder how they are going to get rid of all the Anti-telepathic tech they pulled out to keep in from ruining future stories.

I think the bit with Martha is probably an oversight by Gage

[Tiamatican]

Telepathy is being circumvented all to easily. First telepathic tasers, now mind control is just blocked. I'm not on the "Martha is being tortured" train, but I would like the issue to be explained a little in the book. How does he differentiate between basic telepathic communication and mind control?

Because he's the Scientist Supreme and shut up. That's how.

[Lady_Alternate]

Telepathy is being circumvented all to easily. First telepathic tasers, now mind control is just blocked. I'm not on the "Martha is being tortured" train, but I would like the issue to be explained a little in the book. How does he differentiate between basic telepathic communication and mind control?

It's not explained in the book, but in previous recent arcs, Pym has had to deal with powerful mind control situations, so if anyone has a countermeasure, it's him.

If you'd like a supposition, then perhaps think of it as volume. Low "volume" telepathy allows communication ans surface thought scanning. "Louder" and you move on to scanning deeper thoughts or breaking through defences. Turn the dial up to 11 and you drown out the "sound" of all other thoughts and take control. Pym's device could just stop people from pumping up the psychic volume. It's not a be all and end all because it's likely large and static, affecting only the campus and impractical to move. Also, it's a counter measure, so there's probably ways of working around any "limit".

Is that the case? No, but it's a potential explanation for something mentioned. Only Gage can tell us.

[mikekerrIII]

I agree with this assessment. Pym is no dummy. He and they all see her floating there. Controlling someones' mind is hard. Reading it and/or projecting ones thoughts, for a telepath, is much easier.

I'm sorry they did not make it clearer as many of you are having anxiety over this. ;-) Don't worry folks. She is OK.

I think it is simply a writers goof. But expecting Pym not to make mistakes like that doesn't make sense either things like that are somewhat his trademark

[custodes]

That may be the case with Martha, but I'm curious to see how they are humanely handling accommodating a water breather. I may have to find another store to get a copy of this issue.



I tend to think the Utopian 'kids' CAN take care of themselves. Cap seems to be using the words 'protective custody' a lot lately, and it seems to actually mean, he wants to make sure someone isn't a threat to him and his.

He is a great man but, I think his job is corrupting him. Maybe it is a job he is good at but, making him grow in ways bad for him. Maybe this time next year he will be retire from politics and be fighting the good fight again. No one better for the job. Lousy job.

And yes, you WOULD think an alleged tactical genius like Cyke would have a basic emergency evac plan in place, wouldn't you? Methinks, we should be asking, who is really watching who?

So you think the kids might be outsmarting the Adults? Wouldn't be the first time. Or maybe this is Cykes plan all along. Interesting ideas, as always Rheged.

I wonder how they are going to get rid of all the Anti-telepathic tech they pulled out to keep in from ruining future stories.

I think the bit with Martha is probably an oversight by Gage

Push the off button? Exhausting.

[LeonardEugenius]

Because he's the Scientist Supreme and shut up. That's how.

Don't tell me what to do.

It's not explained in the book, but in previous recent arcs, Pym has had to deal with powerful mind control situations, so if anyone has a countermeasure, it's him.

If you'd like a supposition, then perhaps think of it as volume. Low "volume" telepathy allows communication ans surface thought scanning. "Louder" and you move on to scanning deeper thoughts or breaking through defences. Turn the dial up to 11 and you drown out the "sound" of all other thoughts and take control. Pym's device could just stop people from pumping up the psychic volume. It's not a be all and end all because it's likely large and static, affecting only the campus and impractical to move. Also, it's a counter measure, so there's probably ways of working around any "limit".

Is that the case? No, but it's a potential explanation for something mentioned. Only Gage can tell us.

I think that's a lovely explanation. Perhaps Senor Gage will borrow it :)

[mikekerrIII]

Push the off button? Exhausting.

How do explain it not being used from then on? I guess it will disappear like SPIN

[Lady_Alternate]

And yes, you WOULD think an alleged tactical genius like Cyke would have a basic emergency evac plan in place, wouldn't you? Methinks, we should be asking, who is really watching who?

From the solicits, if this is all a cunning Cyclops plan, he may have outsmarted even himself, by forgetting to tell Madison.

[Mark_S]

As I recall way back in Avengers Iron Man once produced a telepathic interference field that Moondragon found merely annoying. I think the idea in the book is that no one can use telepathic level mind control, not that telethapy is shut down completely.
But there is a lot not being said here and while I agree it's almost regular now to suspect the good guys in marvel to be doing the worst of things (at least for me, probably not for others, I view marvel heroes now the same way I view politicians) I don't see it happening her yet. I'm sure that Hank has the thing set to increase in power if Emma shows up.

Mark_S

[Mark_S]

From the solicits, if this is all a cunning Cyclops plan, he may have outsmarted even himself, by forgetting to tell Madison.

Need to know, the Avengers know telepaths too don't they? Reading minds is a fast and easy way to get information. I'm not saying that they would, but Cyke would think that they would.

Mark_S

[Rheged]

He is a great man but, I think his job is corrupting him. Maybe it is a job he is good at but, making him grow in ways bad for him. Maybe this time next year he will be retire from politics and be fighting the good fight again. No one better for the job. Lousy job.

I agree, with the job Cap has taken, including joining the Illuminati, things aren't simply black and white. It's much easier to be morally upstanding, when you only have to worry about yourself.

So you think the kids might be outsmarting the Adults? Wouldn't be the first time. Or maybe this is Cykes plan all along. Interesting ideas, as always Rheged.

Why thank you, Custodes, but only following your lead. Hope and her crew certainly were portrayed better in Schism, than Wolverine and Cyclops. And that might be the case here too, as it is about students. However, I would like to believe that it is indeed, Cykes' plan along.