Avengers Academy #29 *Spoilers*

[mikeb]

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How dare you?! Man From Atlantis is CLASSIC 70s TV, not schlock 80s TV! Any comic would be better for the reference ... and more pictures of wet men in swimming trunks. As this proves:

From what I can recall from my youth,it starred Patrick Duffy BEFORE Dallas and Step by Step...

[Master of Sound]

Surge was well written, she's exactly the way she always is.

Loa seemed softer and sweeter than normal, sucking up to Mettle, yikes.

The Cuckoos were written bad. They would never betray a fellow mutant. It's a mutant versus other heroes war, so way sell him out? It's not like them at all.

Als madison jeffries I do not get. Why should he be willing to assist in this?

Lauri is lame to accept the race. Glad the other decided not to 'play along'

I liked the X-23 with Dust dialogue.

However, previews show that the X-kids will try to escape next issue and Hollow, Ricochet and Wiz-Kid will aid to them, looking forward to that.

I do like the art as well.

[Old Sparky]

That would depend upon the pilot. Say if the kids knew the pilot and trusted him things might be different. If they don't know him then he's just another turnkey and this time he's in a robot that has in the past obliterated mutants just for being alive.

And in the past, there've been humans who have murdered other humans just for being alive... and I'm pretty sure there are mutants that kill without any regard for human life... so why should humans trust anybody different from the norm? If people in general are dangerous, it stands to reason that mutants are more so. Except that everyone doesn't hate or distrust mutants because they are mutants. Its an attitude that is over-hyped in the mutant specific titles that really only supports itself so far... and beyond that, it becomes mutants acting like martyrs as a lifestyle rather than trying to move on and integrate into society. And by integrate, I don't mean give up their identity or "culture." Being a mutant isn't a culture or a lifestyle. It may be part of their identity, but every other superhuman has to deal with being different from humanity at times also. If mutants are going to continue to wage war, then they've given up on being a part of the rest of society... and if they have given up, then they deserve to be eliminated. Really? No not really, but this war of their's to defend themselves from humanity is imaginary (or at least over-exaggerated). Its not humanity that wants mutants gone, its a specific group of humans.

Personally, I liked this one scene during House of M that showed a Kree talking with a mutant and the mutant was talking about humans and mutants as two different races... and the Kree said something to the effect of "You're all human to us." So they're born different -mutants are still human, so if they're fighting a war against humans, then they're also fighting themselves. Really, I'm just sick of the whole human vs mutant mentality. Its like the X-books are a one trick pony, they have no other stories to tell. That, if nothing else, is the reason that mutants need to either go away or just give up this idea of fighting a war for their survival. Seriously, start being heroes and villains like everybody else or just die already. The angst of how every situation applies to mutants specifically is just boring me to death.

[c.lei]

He says in AvX he doesn't have a plan.

Not having a plan *IS* the plan.

[c.lei]

What plan would have survived Caps intervention, much less Wolverines bungling? Cap no longer has a viable plan either since Wolverine blew both plans. They are both now making it up as they go along, since I doubted Cap plan included throwing Wolverine off a plane or combat on four separate battlefields as an intermediate step, or for having Hope be as powerful as she now seems to be.

Actually, I think Scott sorta counted on Logan screwing things up.

[mikekerrIII]

And in the past, there've been humans who have murdered other humans just for being alive... and I'm pretty sure there are mutants that kill without any regard for human life... so why should humans trust anybody different from the norm? If people in general are dangerous, it stands to reason that mutants are more so. Except that everyone doesn't hate or distrust mutants because they are mutants. Its an attitude that is over-hyped in the mutant specific titles that really only supports itself so far... and beyond that, it becomes mutants acting like martyrs as a lifestyle rather than trying to move on and integrate into society. And by integrate, I don't mean give up their identity or "culture." Being a mutant isn't a culture or a lifestyle. It may be part of their identity, but every other superhuman has to deal with being different from humanity at times also. If mutants are going to continue to wage war, then they've given up on being a part of the rest of society... and if they have given up, then they deserve to be eliminated. Really? No not really, but this war of their's to defend themselves from humanity is imaginary (or at least over-exaggerated). Its not humanity that wants mutants gone, its a specific group of humans.

Assuming that a Sentinel is hostile on appearances is not more illogical tha Assuming a guy with A white Hood, a noose. Carringa burning cross and hs a swastika embroidered on the Robes is likley to be hostile

The specific group of humans that is actively bigoted towards the mutants includes the Congress of the united States in the MU and the POTUS, Notice that the SHRA was repealed but the MRA was not.

[Old Sparky]

The specific group of humans that is actively bigoted towards the mutants includes the Congress of the united States in the MU and the POTUS, Notice that the SHRA was repealed but the MRA was not.

Well, maybe its the mutants' fault for not voting or taking a more active role in politics. Maybe its just hackneyed writing that mutants can't have other interesting stories without this persecution issue. I've said it before and I'll say it again: mutants do just fine when they're in the Avengers or other non X-specific titles. Maybe they need to stop banding together as X-Men or X-Force or X-Emos and so on and just sign up with the Avengers or anybody else that will have them... because it seems like mutant villains that are specific to non-mutant heroes seem to get more respect.

[Khajit]

Well, maybe its the mutants' fault for not voting or taking a more active role in politics. Maybe its just hackneyed writing that mutants can't have other interesting stories without this persecution issue. I've said it before and I'll say it again: mutants do just fine when they're in the Avengers or other non X-specific titles. Maybe they need to stop banding together as X-Men or X-Force or X-Emos and so on and just sign up with the Avengers or anybody else that will have them... because it seems like mutant villains that are specific to non-mutant heroes seem to get more respect.

Actually in secret Avengers it turned out that a Congressman or senator(cant remember which) whom was friends with beast was a low grade reality warping mutant.(low grade as far as reality warpers go considering he didn't just solve the entire issue or have the creativity to instakill everything Nazi) He basically brought the Lincoln memorial to life, had it smash Nazis and used to opposed mutant oppressing legislation. Thanks to his position of power he was able to get the tech to mask his mutancy from the world.

[Wren]

Well, maybe its the mutants' fault for not voting or taking a more active role in politics. Maybe its just hackneyed writing that mutants can't have other interesting stories without this persecution issue. I've said it before and I'll say it again: mutants do just fine when they're in the Avengers or other non X-specific titles. Maybe they need to stop banding together as X-Men or X-Force or X-Emos and so on and just sign up with the Avengers or anybody else that will have them... because it seems like mutant villains that are specific to non-mutant heroes seem to get more respect.

There were instances where mutants on the Avengers (Wanda i think, in Vision/Scarlet Witch series?) were prosecuted. It's just not a central plot point.

Besides the number of mutants in the *entire world* was at most, around 20 million... they're a very small minority. So if they don't have wide-spread support from regular people, they're screwed. Look at the treatment of aboriginal people in Canada, with a population of 1 out of 34 million (the US population is 300 million, so if there's say 10 million mutants in the states, the percentage is the same). Aboriginal people in Canada live in crap, third-world country conditions (I'm Canadian so this is the instance I know of best). So there's precedence to the ridiculous amount of persecution mutants face... well, maybe not sentinel death-squads, but they do shoot lasers out of their eyes, so...

While I'm also tired of the persecution angle and I think they can benefit a lot from joining more prominent teams, I can see how it's not as far-fetched as we wish it were. :(

[mikekerrIII]

Well, maybe its the mutants' fault for not voting or taking a more active role in politics. Maybe its just hackneyed writing that mutants can't have other interesting stories without this persecution issue. I've said it before and I'll say it again: mutants do just fine when they're in the Avengers or other non X-specific titles. Maybe they need to stop banding together as X-Men or X-Force or X-Emos and so on and just sign up with the Avengers or anybody else that will have them... because it seems like mutant villains that are specific to non-mutant heroes seem to get more respect.

Do ypou understand that less than 200 people in group pretty much means that they would have almost no poltical power in anything bigger than a village, and the number of people elegible to vote is far smaller than that.

I do think that it might be appropriate for them to stop fighting the villains that are not attacking humans. Why risk you life people who don't give a damn about your rights. Of course the world would die on a quite regular basis if they did that

[Home made ectoplasm]

I haven't read this whole thread, but I absolutely loved the opening post review. I wish every review/summary on these boards was written this way. We need discussion questions after every scene in every thread!

Really? Did you not think it was a bit TL:dr?

[Pixie_Solanas]

I think we've done fine in steering discourse without the aid of discussion questions so blatantly forced upon us.

[Lascoden]

Actually in secret Avengers it turned out that a Congressman or senator(cant remember which) whom was friends with beast was a low grade reality warping mutant.(low grade as far as reality warpers go considering he didn't just solve the entire issue or have the creativity to instakill everything Nazi) He basically brought the Lincoln memorial to life, had it smash Nazis and used to opposed mutant oppressing legislation. Thanks to his position of power he was able to get the tech to mask his mutancy from the world.

When did this happen? I must read this, it sounds awesome!

[Khajit]

It is a bit ridiculous that the oppression angle is going on for so long when the world itself is changing around them. The oppression itself went from the entire town trying to publicly lynch Iceman in broad daylight to being the work of only extremists that most people look at as bigots. While the X-men are going on about how they're the oppressed the unaffiliated mutants are running around making giant leaps in civil rights.
It's a very strange dichotomy to see the X-men eating at fancy restaurants or drinking champagne for their normal meals, Pixie somehow being able to afford brand new Vespas and limo rides despite being a nonworking minor while the non X-men on Utopia are rioting for proper food and water.

When did this happen? I must read this, it sounds awesome!

Fear itself secret Avengers. I don't have a photographic memory so you're going to just have to do any other research yourself.

[Khajit]

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