Wonder Woman in Earth-2 (spoiler)

[vaffrey]

I like how people here will go on and on about the negative, yet I have not seen a thread or much discussion here about Nubia in AC and having a substantial role. You guys focus on the negative far to much on the bad.

It's a thread about Earth-2. There's a separate thread about AC. Go read that one.

[Mathu87]

I'm enjoying these Earth-2 titles so far. Hope quality doesn't drop.

[Maximum Impact]

Nah, Batman died in a blaze of glory. Diana got punked by an 80s metal band. I liked the part where Superman calls her "Sensational" and Nicola's art has never looked better, but even Earth 2... Wonder Woman deserved at least a glorious battle before death.

In that scene she just kinda herpa-derped and got skewered from behind. If the Trinity from that dimension is that weak sauce, that keeps the bar pretty low for JSA and the worlds' finest heroes.

All that aside, I'm still on board and found plenty to enjoy despite rushed and unimpressive death scenes.

^ This. I'm so glad I didn't go to the store last night, my overall disappointment would have been greater if I had made a special trip. The art was cool, but there's no way the Trinity should have been dispatched that easily. Batman supposedly has a plan for everything, he couldn't come up with a robot or forced a Parademon to download the virus for him? That was ridiculous, they died strictly to service the story. Superman's death was the worst. It was an Azzarello like cheat, they couldn't explain what the Parademons were doing to him? It was all too brief and anticlimactic to carry much weight. Overall it didn't suck, thanks to Nicola, but I won't be buying #2.

Also I'd like to reinstate my assertion that tptb @ DC don't give a damn about Wonder Woman. The contrived death of "the last Amazon" proves that.

[Zeeguy91]

spoilers:

Sword through the heart, first issue.

end of spoilers

Yeah, but then Superman dies literally on the next page and Batman is not far behind them. Its not like Wonder Woman drew the short straw. The entire Trinity dies because Robinson is trying to construct the scenario that the world lost its superheroes in an epic clash between good and evil.

[Maximum Impact]

Yeah, but then Superman dies literally on the next page and Batman is not far behind them. Its not like Wonder Woman drew the short straw. The entire Trinity dies because Robinson is trying to construct the scenario that the world lost its superheroes in an epic clash between good and evil.

That $#*t wasn't epic worth a damn. They died because it was written that way.

[Dr. Hurt]

^ This. I'm so glad I didn't go to the store last night, my overall disappointment would have been greater if I had made a special trip. The art was cool, but there's no way the Trinity should have been dispatched that easily. Batman supposedly has a plan for everything, he couldn't come up with a robot or forced a Parademon to download the virus for him? That was ridiculous, they died strictly to service the story. Superman's death was the worst. It was an Azzarello like cheat, they couldn't explain what the Parademons were doing to him? It was all too brief and anticlimactic to carry much weight. Overall it didn't suck, thanks to Nicola, but I won't be buying #2.

Also I'd like to reinstate my assertion that tptb @ DC don't give a damn about Wonder Woman. The contrived death of "the last Amazon" proves that.

But the whole Trinity died. Why would WW be spared?

[Zeeguy91]

Diana was killed by whom all accounts was the field general of the entire invasion. No mentions of Darkseid here, just Steppenwolf. That she was killed by him, and in such a fashion in which he had to sneak up on her while taking on hordes of parademons to do it, I hardly think equates to being punked out nor portrays her as weak.

This. I find incredibly petty that some WW fans, who shall remain nameless but know who they are, have to analyze every single detail in order to find something they would deem negative. Why don't they look at it this way? Superman was taken down by the mindless Parademon servants while it took the head honcho to come down and deal with Wonder Woman.

[Dr. Hurt]

This. I find incredibly petty that some WW fans, who shall remain nameless but know who they are, have to analyze every single detail in order to find something they would deem negative. Why don't they look at it this way? Superman was taken down by the mindless Parademon servants while it took the head honcho to come down and deal with Wonder Woman.

I second this.

[Zeeguy91]

I'm still not really seeing how this is "bait and switch" in any way at all.

Now, solliciting a Helena Bertinelli - Huntress mini series only to kill her off panel some time before the first issue and having it turn out in the final issue that the mini has been about Helena Bloody Wayne instead, that's bait and switch.

Dude. I read some of that mini, and I'm pretty sure it was Helena Burtinelli. Notice how in issue #1 I think, she refers to Batman as "Batman", not "dad." If it were Helena Wayne, she would've said dad.

[Dr. Hurt]

Dude. I read some of that mini, and I'm pretty sure it was Helena Burtinelli. Notice how in issue #1 I think, she refers to Batman as "Batman", not "dad." If it were Helena Wayne, she would've said dad.

She's Helena Wayne. She calls her Batman "dad" multiple times in E1 #1.

[Theozilla]

She's Helena Wayne. She calls her Batman "dad" multiple times in E1 #1.

Yeah, it is Helena Wayne, the confusion is from her using Bertinelli as a cover identity and and at the very beginning it was originally planned that Levtiz was writing Bertinelli but they changed it after an issue or two.

My reaction to the issue:
I was really surprised by this issue. Definitely Robinson's strongest work in recent history outside of the current The Shade maxi-series. Scott's art was great as well. Robinson's "poetic" inner-dialgoue worked much better here than it usually does with the mainstream DC Heroes. Overall it was a great world-builing and character-set up issue.

[Maximum Impact]

This. I find incredibly petty that some WW fans, who shall remain nameless but know who they are, have to analyze every single detail in order to find something they would deem negative. Why don't they look at it this way? Superman was taken down by the mindless Parademon servants while it took the head honcho to come down and deal with Wonder Woman.

Look here dude, I said the entire Trinity was killed too easily...and they were. My beef with Wonder Woman is they also slaughtered her nation, ensuring there would be no one to take up her legacy. Batman and Superman have obvious ace's in the hole thanks to Power Girl and the Huntress. Wonder Woman gets nobody because they don't care enough about her mythos like they care about the rest.

[Theozilla]

Look here dude, I said the entire Trinity was killed too easily...and they were. My beef with Wonder Woman is they also slaughtered her nation, ensuring there would be no one to take up her legacy. Batman and Superman have obvious ace's in the hole thanks to Power Girl and Huntress.

Shame Fury (Hippolyta "Lyta" Trevor-Hal) never got as popular as Huntress and Powergirl. Kinda ironic/sad that the most well known incarnation of Fury (in any continuity) is probably from The Sandman series (not that she was a poorly written character, just that she was retired from heroing in it).

[SteveGus]

Yeah, but then Superman dies literally on the next page and Batman is not far behind them. Its not like Wonder Woman drew the short straw. The entire Trinity dies because Robinson is trying to construct the scenario that the world lost its superheroes in an epic clash between good and evil.

I didn't say otherwise. I am very mildly disappointed mostly because I want to see the character in other titles than her own, and she's not going to be in this one. This was something I'd think Wonder Woman fans would want to know.

The Earth-23 version in Action #9 makes up for it, though.

[Dr. Hurt]

Look here dude, I said the entire Trinity was killed too easily...and they were. My beef with Wonder Woman is they also slaughtered her nation, ensuring there would be no one to take up her legacy. Batman and Superman have obvious ace's in the hole thanks to Power Girl and Huntress. Wonder Woman gets nobody because they don't care about her mythos like they care about the rest.