Wonder Woman Young Justice

[Tiberious]

On Comixology on the secret files of the DC Nation, I went against my better judgement and read the Wonder Woman entry hoping to find the pre 52 Diana. Unfortunately she's listed as a Demi-Goddess and blond Chang Hera as her mother. It really sickens me that this horror is crossing over. Now I can't enjoy Young Justice. Unfortunately this might mean that if a Wonder Woman movie or JLA movie gets made, the nightmare that Azz has constructed may bleed over into that as well cutting me off from any enjoyment of Wonder Woman whatsoever. Losing my monthly fix was bad enough but losing her in all media is heartbreaking. I know I'm the rooster in the wolves den about to be ripped apart but I needed to vent. I realize I'm the old bitter man yelling at kids for getting off his lawn but d****t. I just miss her.

Oh well. Let the blood bath begin and enjoy your Young Justice.

[Mr. Holmes]

Edit: never mind, i might get banned for what I had originally.

[Dr. Hurt]

Another one of these threads? Oh goody!


But seriously, this is supposed to be the new WW for the new age. When they rebooted the whole DCU, they did so to reinvent and update the characters for a more modern audience. This isnt just a temporary thing. DC did this to reestablish its heroes and WW seems to finally be selling. Why would they stick with the old version? The core fanbase? It's not big enough to sustain her when everyone else doesnt care.

[Tiberious]

Another one of these threads? Oh goody!


But seriously, this is supposed to be the new WW for the new age. When they rebooted the whole DCU, they did so to reinvent and update the characters for a more modern audience. This isnt just a temporary thing. DC did this to reestablish its heroes and WW seems to finally be selling. Why would they stick with the old version? The core fanbase? It's not big enough to sustain her when everyone else doesnt care.

Because those thrown away fans are the ones that carried her for seventy years. Although they aren't the young new hip crowd, its sad that the only place they can enjoy a character 70 years old is in the past. Its sad that they can't leave one trace of that heritage somewhere still developing for those old timers to enjoy. I get that the bulk of you that replaced the bulk of us on here hate us but just like the comic, there isn't anywhere else for us to go. I've done well to stay away and keep my mouth shut for months but this morning that was upsetting and like a fool I hoped somewhere deep down someone would come here and agree and I would have at least one person to discuss Wonder Woman with. The mods can delete the post, I don't care.

[pryde15]

So you made a thread to complain about something people have been complaining about for months?
Sounds productive.

[Tiberious]

So you made a thread to complain about something people have been complaining about for months?
Sounds productive.

Its been announced for months that Diana in Young Justice is the Azzarello version?

[Dr. Hurt]

We dont hate you Tiberious. We's kind of sick of the core fandom's whining. If i was a fan of a character that was slowly dying in a corner for decades, i'd be happy if he/she became successful again whether i liked the changes or not. Because once the character becomes successful again, there will be more incentive for people to write stories about him/her and more energy and creativity in general and the character will find his/her balance.

A few months ago nobody wanted to pull the short straw and have to write WW. Now a ton of writers are asking editorial if they can have her guest star in their books. Success brings creativity and creativity opens new horizons. And even if this is a bad move, a bad story, in the end she'll balance out like Batman did after being super grimdark for 2 decades.

But hey, being open minded and open to new things is something incomprehensible to WW fans.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

Its been announced for months that Diana in Young Justice is the Azzarello version?

Really? Where was that announced.

[americanwonder]

... I've done well to stay away and keep my mouth shut for months but this morning that was upsetting and like a fool I hoped somewhere deep down someone would come here and agree and I would have at least one person to discuss Wonder Woman with...

You're not alone, and you're not a fool, Tiberious. You have as much right to civilly discuss your views - likes and dislikes - as any of us here.

I do agree with others that since WW doesn't really have a big role in YJ, and, imo, YJ is enjoyable, just enjoy it for what it is. I still need to watch Cassie's first appearance. Very exciting.

[vaffrey]

But seriously, this is supposed to be the new WW for the new age. When they rebooted the whole DCU, they did so to reinvent and update the characters for a more modern audience. This isnt just a temporary thing. DC did this to reestablish its heroes and WW seems to finally be selling. Why would they stick with the old version? The core fanbase? It's not big enough to sustain her when everyone else doesnt care.

I wouldn't use comic book sales (even assuming they're not continuing to decline) as a measure to assess what version to use in non-comic media platforms, like the YJ cartoon or anything else. Comics are sold to a very small base of rabid fans whose buying habits don't always track quality (e.g., the completist), and even if they did it's a very small audience's measure of quality. If the film adaptations of Watchmen and Green Lantern are any indication, comic sales mean basically nothing with regard to success in other media platforms.

If I were DC, I'd be rolling out a WW for TV, film, or animation properties in a form that looks familiar, keeping in mind the Lynda Carter show, Superfriends, and JLU. And I'd be fearful of a Catwoman-level fiasco.

[Dr. Hurt]

Good point. But my main point was that sometimes we miss the entire point of the new 52. It's not just a marketing stunt, they also updated their heroes in a way they thought would attact a more modern audience. In other words to do what Johns did for Green Lantern and Aquaman. Updating the costumes, the stories, the way and focus of storytelling, the villains, etc.

I'm not sure if her new Zeus origin would make a big difference to kids watching YJ, but using the new less cheesy suit, the more grounded take on the Amazons, etc should work.

[wagthedog]

Good point. But my main point was that sometimes we miss the entire point of the new 52. It's not just a marketing stunt, they also updated their heroes in a way they thought would attact a more modern audience. In other words to do what Johns did for Green Lantern and Aquaman. Updating the costumes, the stories, the way and focus of storytelling, the villains, etc.

I'm not sure if her new Zeus origin would make a big difference to kids watching YJ, but using the new less cheesy suit, the more grounded take on the Amazons, etc should work.

What do people mean by 'modern audience'. Are the comic book readers of 10-20 years ago to simplistic for today's storytelling?

[aegisbearer]

First of all, Dr. Hurt, it's not the core fandom. It's a group of fans on a forum who feel slighted. This forum is hardly the core of anything (have you seen how many WW forums are out there?). Tiberious, like many others, has every right to express his opinion about how he feels as long as he doesn't direct those comments at people, and he knows that.

Second, again you make a blanket statement that Wonder Woman fans can't be open-minded and open to new things. Untrue. The voices of a few people don't constitute the entirety of WW fandom. Some are quite open-minded; some less so. It's not a black and white world here. I'm on the fence, actually, about this new WW. Some things I like, some I don't. And, I've been a fan since the early 1970s.

And, third, Azzarello's version of Wonder Woman isn't the breath of fresh air to everyone that it might be to you. Last I checked, this forum is called Wonder Woman, not "Azzarello's Wonder Woman." Let's not make comments that disparage other people. Talking about people whining is just plain rude.

And, Zeeguy91, the same applies. Your comment:

Wow, FINALLY! An open-minded Wonder Woman fan! I wish more of the people on the Wonder Woman forum were more like you!

doesn't help. All your comment does is push people into corners so they can come out fighting.

ENOUGH.

Engage in discourse, questions, civil arguing—find out why people don't or do like something. Stop criticizing the people for their feelings. When you've been a fan for 30+ years, sometimes changes hurt. Maybe a little of Diana's compassion to people might mitigate the negativity at times. Maybe an invitation to talk about things might help people than shutting them down.

[Dr. Hurt]

Good points, i guess i did go a bit overboard there.