Amazing Spider-Man #685 *SPOILERS*

[ShaggyB]

Of course he did, he mentioned the promise made, the promised was made to mj, he goes about all the bs of being worthy of her, and the next panel cuts to her, its obviously mj.

I know.... remember, Im the one who first posted about the big big nod to mj with peter fans.

[Kevinroc]

Yea, exactly what I was thinking. Where are you anti MJ guys coming from? :P

The more popular a character, the more detractors said character will get. Look at all the people who claim to hate Wolverine. Yet Wolverine And The X-Men is one of Marvel's best selling titles.

Spider-Man has been wrritten by like three dozen people, so what? This isn't even me pulling out a twenty year old issue where Spider-Man says no one dies, this is less than SIX MONTHS AGO.

The days of that kind of consistency are long past.

Look at it like some random filler episode of any random anime and just ignore it. It was obvious when it happened that it would bare no impact on what Dan wanted to do.

It's the most obvious choice. I'm just looking for the trick, because I know there's a trick. I don't know what the trick is, but I know there's a trick, so I question everything.

The only women we've seen Peter interact with over the last batch of issues of Amazing are Mary Jane and Julia Carpenter. (And we all know how Dan feels about Peter dating a superheroine.) We don't even see Peter interacting with Aunt May these days.

Not that it's the best example but season 2 of Community featured two characters together for pretty much the entire season. Their relationship was portrayed with enough subtlety that viewers didn't know until it came to light. Not that it's a hard and fast rule and not that it can't be someone else but...

Of course I did make this joke.

Just watch it be that The Jackal left a nasty little surprise when MJ "shares a toothbrush" with Peter again and then mutates into a giant spider or something.

That wasn't the deal. Mephisto is incompetent.

Can you say "extremely contrived?"

I knew you could.

That's called "leading the audience". At least, it could be. It's a tool used to subvert expectations. You make the audience think its one thing by doign stuff like cutting to that character, but you never reference them by name or any definitive characteristics, so that later on you can reveal its something completely different and surprise people.

Very true. I just look at the issues before. Who has Peter been interacting with since the end of Spider-Island within the pages of Amazing?

1) You're point is not understandable. That last line... I don't know what you're trying to say.
2) The point about under Stan Lee is simply false. Peter's love life was in flux for the first sixty issues, sure, but there was never an inevitability about the break-ups, and he was at least nominally attached to a woman almost all the time. But from issue 60 onward there's no doubt. He dates/loves Gwen, who was the love interest. It is only when Stan left and Conway killed her that there was any question of who'd he date next, and that wasn't even a real question either, because Mary Jane slides in at the end of the issue after Gwen dies.

The dating do-si-do really came around after Wolfman broke up Peter and MJ. And that lasted until the wedding. (How can anyone explain his on-again/off-again thing with Felicia?)

@Xenon, That's what i mean, people treat peter dating anyone other then mj as a dating contest, who is gonna be next. But peter has dated before during lee era without the expectation he was gonna drop out of the relationship for mj, so why assume peter will go back to mj at ALL ?

And that goes to my first point i was trying to make, people think any relationship won't matter cos peter will/must return to mj no matter what becouse she is more popular, has been in more media, has more face recognition with the public. So i ask, what if peter dated a completely new character, this crippled botanic in my example, and this relationship lasted real life 20-30 years of comics,wouldnt said botanic essentially become the new mj ? who would remember mj then ?
She would be the new face recognition in the public mind, so why hold things back with expectation toward a return of the same, something everyone here complains about and topic of many thread drifts ?
Carlie suffered from this,i mean yeah, she suffered more from diferent writers taking her in diferent direction or not used at all, BUT everyone "knew" Carlie was a shoehorn stand in while we await the royal return of her majesty mj.No matter what character they had used in that situation people would still not like her and treat her the same way while waiting for mj.And it seemed the writers got afraid and went for that,sorta.

Have people forgotten Gwen Stacy, despite having the notable handicap of being dead for about 40 years now? What you're advocating will not happen. (Never mind that Peter will never be in a relationship with any woman that will last 20-30 years in the real world.)

And MJ is a creation of Spider-Man's actual creators. Stan Lee, Steve Ditko and John Romita Sr. created her. She is a huge part of the Spider-Man legacy.

[KurtW95]

And MJ is a creation of Spider-Man's actual creators. Stan Lee, Steve Ditko and John Romita Sr. created her. She is a huge part of the Spider-Man legacy.

Umm... Stan Lee and Steve Ditko created Gwen. And JRSR didn't create them.

[Kevinroc]

Umm... Stan Lee and Steve Ditko created Gwen. And JRSR didn't create them.

And your point is?

I know Romita didn't have a hand in creating Gwen. He had a hand in creating MJ, in designing her. But she had been name dropped and hinted at and shown (with face obscured) for several issues well before Gwen even showed up. So MJ's creators are Lee/Ditko/Romita (which is a trifecta of Spider-Awesome.)

And Romita had a hand in creating other characters who are really important. Like The Rhino and The Kingpin. And minor characters like George Stacy.

But Romita was also involved in killing Gwen. Sure, it was Gerry Conway's idea to kill Gwen but Romita was the one who got the ball rolling, per Conway's word on the subject. And Romita agreed with the notion of killing Gwen.

[okpanic]

I lol to myself because whenever somebody assumes MJ and Peter are 2 b 4eva, I think of poor zombie Gwen Stacy with a tear running down her cheek.



That said, I'm totally shipping Sable x Spidey. She's like Black Cat's older but equally as foxy prude sister.

[Darthfury78]

The only women we've seen Peter interact with over the last batch of issues of Amazing are Mary Jane and Julia Carpenter. (And we all know how Dan feels about Peter dating a superheroine.) We don't even see Peter interacting with Aunt May these days.

The dating do-si-do really came around after Wolfman broke up Peter and MJ. And that lasted until the wedding. (How can anyone explain his on-again/off-again thing with Felicia?)

Yep. We all know that Peter will never date a super heroine in the pages of ASM. That's not to say that some other writer wouldn't want to explore that idea outside the title. Especially with Silver Sable or Ms. Marvel. Although it will never get pass the pals level for Peter.

I lol to myself because whenever somebody assumes MJ and Peter are 2 b 4eva, I think of poor zombie Gwen Stacy with a tear running down her cheek. That said, I'm totally shipping Sable x Spidey. She's like Black Cat's older but equally as foxy prude sister.

I think that Spidey will have more than Ms. Marvel or Silver Sable to worry about. The list might probably get expand to include The She-Hulk, Spider-Woman, The Black Widow, and Psylocke. And a diverse list of 6 alternate super heroines to the Black Cat will ensure that no one heroine will stand out as Spidey's potential love interest. And it might bring out an audience who are fans of the heroines mentioned into reading Spider-Man because of those mutual friendships that they have with Spidey.

[okpanic]

You know Darthfury78 I'm really coming around to your pairing of Spider-Man and Mystique. I figure since she can shape-shift, she can take on the look of any of Spidey's amours! MJ on Monday, Gwen on Tuesday, Felicia on Wednesday, Ms Marvel on Thursday, Lady Bova on Friday - everybody on CBR wins!

[spideybr]

Have people forgotten Gwen Stacy, despite having the notable handicap of being dead for about 40 years now? What you're advocating will not happen. (Never mind that Peter will never be in a relationship with any woman that will last 20-30 years in the real world.)

And MJ is a creation of Spider-Man's actual creators. Stan Lee, Steve Ditko and John Romita Sr. created her. She is a huge part of the Spider-Man legacy.

What that has to do with what i said ? i said recognition, you were one of the people who said mj is more popular among the mainstream audience, would she remain so, when another character was in her spot for as long as she has ? no, they wouldnt, yes,us fan would remember her,but not the general public,mj would be almost like gwen, with the bonus of not being 7 feet under.

(Never mind that Peter will never be in a relationship with any woman that will last 20-30 years in the real world.)

See,this is exactly what i was talking about ? why are you so sure ? Becouse mj is special/soulmate. BAH give me a break. Get out of your shell the sky has already fallen.

[Kevinroc]

What that has to do with what i said ? i said recognition, you were one of the people who said mj is more popular among the mainstream audience, would she remain so, when another character was in her spot for as long as she has ? no, they wouldnt, yes,us fan would remember her,but not the general public,mj would be almost like gwen, with the bonus of not being 7 feet under.

Sounds like you're just upset that they killed Gwen.

See,this is exactly what i was talking about ? why are you so sure ? Becouse mj is special/soulmate. BAH give me a break. Get out of your shell the sky has already fallen.

The next time Peter is with MJ, it won't last 20-30 years in the real world. It's an on-again/off-again relationship between Peter and MJ.

Because that's how it works with comics and their main love interest, which is what MJ is.

[1derer]

As much as I like MJ, which is a lot, I'd be stoked to see him date pretty much any cool superheroine in the vein of Sable or Captain Marvel.

[spideybr]

Sounds like you're just upset that they killed Gwen.
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Sorry, you knee jerk defense won't work, never cared for gwen. Betty though, i still believe she should had been the one.
You are just upset becouse MJ filed for divorce with a demoniac entity, get over it.

[Kevinroc]

Sorry, you knee jerk defense won't work, never cared for gwen. Betty though, i still believe she should had been the one.
You are just upset becouse MJ filed for divorce with a demoniac entity, get over it.

Oohh, a Betty fan. Interesting.

Where did I say I was upset about Peter and MJ splitting up? I merely said that MJ is the preeminent love interest of the franchise. And that she and Peter will have an on-again/off-again relationship.

Because practically every super hero has this with their main love interest.

How many times do we need to see Hal Jordan and Carol Ferris get together?

How many times do we need to see Steve Rogers and Sharon Carter get together?

How many times do we need to see Ben Grimm and Alicia Masters get together?

I could go on with this.

[okpanic]

Do Batman.

[Kevinroc]

Do Batman.

I don't swing that way. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

[KurtW95]

i merely said that mj is the preeminent love interest of the franchise.

No, she's NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!