Will Green Arrow ever be a good comic?

[Flash Gordon]

I started picking it up with #7 and it's a pretty solid book.

[Fate's Faith]

I don't think it can be fixed (and there's some evidence it has been already) if we keep thinking this is the Oliver Queen we used to know. I don't see how that can ever be seen as true. Almost a completely different character. Of course there's the option of moving him to that old version or just allowing him to develop as a different character. Really to me, if so much of his history has been altered or eliminated, he really can't be the old character so why not run with what we have and just make him an interesting character in his own right. I don't mind where he is currently since the old version does have the baggage of being a willingly murderer at times. I wouldn't mind seeing a loud mouth liberal who isn't quite so bloodthirsty myself.

[Jody Garland]

and retconned GA's backstory to have his parents being killed by a lion(why?)

That wasn't him, actually. That was from a story a few years earlier in a Secret Files & Origins. I'm not even a GA fan and I knew that.

[ArnoldoAAD]

really, well it still sucks XD

[suss2it]

I guess I'll have to check it out then. I was looking forward to Stormwatch before the relaunch (though I don't know any of the characters except J'onn) but I could hardly make it through the first issue and didn't buy the second.

Of course opinions vary and of course I am only expressing my opinions. But then who else's opinions should I express?

Lobdell and Liefield are writing more titles now than any other writer at DC other than Geoff Johns. And they are frigging horrible.

Winick is okay, but not good enough to follow. Tony Daniel is hard to hate but nearly impossible to love; if he's drawing okay, if he's writing I'm out. Jurgens is like the guy that keeps getting called back out of retirement to sign the vet minimum and step in for a player that went out to injury. Cornell is a cypher to me; his writing has no apparent flavor.

Oh, I left off Tomasi before. I never dug on anything he did before Batman and Robin but I am really enjoying that. Same with Manapul & co. on The Flash.

I would bet that if DC really wanted to, they could mend fences and get at least some of the following great writers back:

Mark Waid, Jeph Loeb, Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore. Even Joe Kelly would be an improvement over another Lobdell or Liefeld book.

Major props to DC for scoring new writers Lemire, Azzarello and Snyder; hanging on to Morrison; and bringing back Milligan.

But it's a shame how they alienate some writers. Everybody gets cheated in the process. The creators can't write the characters of their youth or even think of them fondly anymore, the company makes less money because those writers' books sold well, and we never get to read the comics that could have been.

Imagine an Alan Moore Justice League. Cool, huh? Thanks to DC, it will never happen.

You don't like Scott Lobdell, but you consider Jeph Loeb a great writer? What was the last great story he wrote?

[batmanjones]

You don't like Scott Lobdell, but you consider Jeph Loeb a great writer? What was the last great story he wrote?

The last great ones I read were Hush and The Long Halloween, but when it comes to comics I really only read DC. He's not in my top 10 or probably top 20 but he's also not in my bottom 20. Where Lobdell is.

[ArnoldoAAD]

The last great ones I read were Hush and The Long Halloween, but when it comes to comics I really only read DC. He's not in my top 10 or probably top 20 but he's also not in my bottom 20. Where Lobdell is.

Loeb on DC is good to great
Loeb on Marvel is ABYSMAL

Lodbell is debatable depending of what book you talk about

you might not like TT cause it was rebooted but TT is never been this good since John's run, though the bar was very low

superboy was average

Redhood is good and bad depending of what issue you read

[Poe1809]

The new creative team is simply horrible. The first six issues weren't bad, but not great by any means. Everything after so far? Brutally bad. The art is terrible, the writing is nearly as bad; the whole thing should be tossed out.

[Earmites]

Loeb on DC is good to great
Loeb on Marvel is ABYSMAL

Lodbell is debatable depending of what book you talk about

you might not like TT cause it was rebooted but TT is never been this good since John's run, though the bar was very low

superboy was average

Redhood is good and bad depending of what issue you read

Yeah Redhood is not very consistent is it?

I was ready to drop it after two issues then issue 3 was fantastic! The rest aren't bad they just aren't great either.

It is one of those titles that I would drop if the art wasn't so damn good.

[Starry]

I can't be the only that wants Andy Diggle to do something with the character again. GA: Year One was awesome and really fit the character.

Yup, you're not the only one! I loved GA: Year One, both the writing and the art.

And I don't like the new creative team on GA... Before the change, I thought the art on this series wasn't good, but now I find it terrible. I just really dislike Harvey Tolibao's style, especially his weird perspective and male faces (I gotta say he does pretty female faces, though). Nocenti's writing is just as weird IMO.

[PiercedMonk]

GREEN ARROW is a great comic, every time I re-read the Mike Grell issues.

[Sewersaint]

I don't know how valid my opinion is because I only came in on GA when Ann Nocenti took over. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and mine is that it was horrible. I picked up GA because I'm a Nocenti fan (Beer with the Devil is one of my favourite single issues of all time) and it seemed like this was a character she was destined to write. In the interviews leading up to the takeover she was saying all the right things but then issue 7 came out and there was GA on a rooftop saying outloud the exact same things Nocenti had been saying. Very unnatural. The next issue still seemed to be written to push ideas instead of being a story. Disappointing.

I'm glad there are some people out there who like Nocenti's run because I hope she'll be given a chance to get back to the levels of storytelling she was at in the past.

[Hawk_fan]

The new creative team is simply horrible. The first six issues weren't bad, but not great by any means. Everything after so far? Brutally bad. The art is terrible, the writing is nearly as bad; the whole thing should be tossed out.

I agree.
However, I like the idea of the corporations, but not Ollie being involved with them in any big way.
Another post Flashpoint disaster IMHO.

[The Animal Man]

Why is this comic still offered on DC's website? who actually buys green arrow comics anyways....this one just seems like a big mistake and they keep trying to promote it like it's gold

[Rakzo]

Why is this comic still offered on DC's website? who actually buys green arrow comics anyways....this one just seems like a big mistake and they keep trying to promote it like it's gold

You know, I keep ignoring people nitpicking the current book but if you attack the character himself, my favorite character, then I'm forced to answer.

I buy Green Arrow comics, always. It's one fo the most fascinating heroes in the DCU and I enjoy it every month.