Will Green Arrow ever be a good comic?

[Earmites]

The start of Green Arrow was very lack luster. Kind of boring facing off with no names and do nothings. The tension they were shooting for felt flat. The corporate woahs of Ollie's personal life did not have the impact I'm sure the writer was going for.

In the first 6 issues Ollie felt like a Hydrox version of Tony Stark...

So issue 7 (thankfully) starts the new creative team. Stylized art is a HUGE improvement...The writing? Wow is it disheveled and clunky. Maybe I missed something?

Triplets want Ollie to meet their dad but they double cross him and at the end he is captured and tied up. Okay not bad. A little all over the board but it was reigned in enough to make a decent new debut.

Then we get Issue 8. It starts with Ollie running free with the unseen help of one of the triplets? That sister is to be punished, but then not punished two panels later. Then there is a creepy guy in the woods that kinda says some stuff just before Green Arrow is facing the dad and the other girls. They talk about some master plan that makes no sense just before a monster is set loose and then Ollie escapes with a triplet on a snow speeder.

It's like the writer has tourettes syndrome...But instead of curse words and offensive hate speech she spouts out random plot points and action sequences. Then writes them down without pacing or stringing them together with logic or purpose.

Why can't the Green Arrow from the last issue of Justice League be put on the pages of his own monthly title?

Will it ever get better or is it just me?

[Jim Thompson]

The start of Green Arrow was very lack luster. Kind of boring facing off with no names and do nothings. The tension they were shooting for felt flat. The corporate woahs of Ollie's personal life did not have the impact I'm sure the writer was going for.

In the first 6 issues Ollie felt like a Hydrox version of Tony Stark...

So issue 7 (thankfully) starts the new creative team. Stylized art is a HUGE improvement...The writing? Wow is it disheveled and clunky. Maybe I missed something?

Triplets want Ollie to meet their dad but they double cross him and at the end he is captured and tied up. Okay not bad. A little all over the board but it was reigned in enough to make a decent new debut.

Then we get Issue 8. It starts with Ollie running free with the unseen help of one of the triplets? That sister is to be punished, but then not punished two panels later. Then there is a creepy guy in the woods that kinda says some stuff just before Green Arrow is facing the dad and the other girls. They talk about some master plan that makes no sense just before a monster is set loose and then Ollie escapes with a triplet on a snow speeder.

It's like the writer has tourettes syndrome...But instead of curse words and offensive hate speech she spouts out random plot points and action sequences. Then writes them down without pacing or stringing them together with logic or purpose.

Why can't the Green Arrow from the last issue of Justice League be put on the pages of his own monthly title?

Will it ever get better or is it just me?

I don't know. I don't think Green Arrow is fantastic right now, but it's an entertaining enough book at the moment. I actually like this take more than what, say, Kevin Smith did with the title.

My favorite take on Oliver, though, was Mike Grell's.

[KurtW95]

He needs the beard. Without it he just looks like Ultimate Hawkeye.

[Mr. Holmes]

In your opinion, who knows. I'm enjoying the hell out of it currently.

[WhitOro]

Somebody call Judd Winick for god's sake. Just joking, he already did enough of it... but man was it great.

I've read issue 7, didn't really care for it. Some people like it, good for them. I'll try more in the future.

[Roland Gunner]

Somebody call Judd Winick for god's sake.

Oh how times have changed. Anyway, I've really liked Nocenti's first couple of issues and hope it continues.

[WhitOro]

Oh how times have changed.

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean?

[Earmites]

Oh how times have changed. Anyway, I've really liked Nocenti's first couple of issues and hope it continues.

I think the last two issues were a VAST improvement as far as art goes and issue 7 gave me hope that it would be good again...But don't you find the writing a hodge podge of continuity?

as a side note Kurt, I too think he needs the beard

[Oni Squirrel]

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean?

Judd Winick had a period where he was one of the more I guess divisive writers at DC. Sort of a reputation on par with Liefeld or Loeb. I'm guessing that's what Roland refers to. I certainly wasn't a fan of his work until JL:GL.

I'm really enjoying the book. GA feels closer to the kind of character I imagine him to be, I like the artwork, and the villains are curious to me.

[ArnoldoAAD]

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean?

well 3-4 years ago, maybe more maybe less Judd winick was the most hated writer in DC
why?
Im not sure really, he had have some very bad runs, like his Titans and Green Arrow/Black Canary but that work was also way forgettable
but he also made Titans/Young Justice Graduation Day, a thing that is kinda like Cry For Justice on its time and I have ppl complain about it even now, and even after Donna Troy revived

Winick is a writer that has improved A LOT in recent years

About the topic

I think the last time Green Arrow was good was actually the start of Winick's Green Arrow run(the second half wasnt that good)
but I think all the elements that made GA good are now gone

Green Arrow/Black Canary, was really bad, and it got even worse after winick left, then C4J happen and pretty much destroy the Green Arrow family for no good reason
Rise of Arsenal is one of the worst comic books ever made, Fall o GA was pointless really, i think it wwas rushed too and obviously rewritten several times
then Krul's run was uninspired
really the best ideas for Krul's run werent even from him, like the Star Forest, the connection with the Swamp Thing and the White lantern, those were really underused, and Krul just put a very bad villain and retconned GA's backstory to have his parents being killed by a lion(why?)

my point, its not something recent, DC needed to go back on the character but they went too further back, he is closer to hawkeye now

[WhitOro]

Judd Winick had a period where he was one of the more I guess divisive writers at DC. Sort of a reputation on par with Liefeld or Loeb. I'm guessing that's what Roland refers to. I certainly wasn't a fan of his work until JL:GL.

I'm really enjoying the book. GA feels closer to the kind of character I imagine him to be, I like the artwork, and the villains are curious to me.

well 3-4 years ago, maybe more maybe less Judd winick was the most hated writer in DC

Oh yeah, I know about Judd reputation, but I thought his Green Arrow was well received. I know I loved it.

[Oni Squirrel]

I think the last two issues were a VAST improvement as far as art goes and issue 7 gave me hope that it would be good again...But don't you find the writing a hodge podge of continuity?

Other books have avoided showing scenes like that between issues and still been considered good. Within #7 they mention that one of the skylarks is rebellious. I agree the books sporadic, but if you read it all the pieces are there in their proper order.

[LoneNecromancer]

Eh. I'm liking Nocenti's work on it very much so far.

Also, according to Lobdell, she's planning a Roy/Ollie story down the line too.

[batmanjones]

Why can't the Green Arrow from the last issue of Justice League be put on the pages of his own monthly title?

The GA of JL=The Blue Beetle Ted Kord in Countdown. Would that the result were the same. I never wanted anything in comics more than Ollie coming back to life. Now I don't want anything more than to see him killed off again.

DC sure knows how to ruin some characters.

[batmanjones]

Eh. I'm liking Nocenti's work on it very much so far.

Also, according to Lobdell, she's planning a Roy/Ollie story down the line too.

Ah yes, according to Lobdell, writer of four comics, ruiner of dozens of DC characters all before we even get to #9.

Instead of 52 titles, DC needs to find at least 5 decent writers to go along with the 5 or so they have now. Instead, every comic that fails is given to Lobdell or given to Giffen/Jurgens before given to Lobdell (or Nocenti - another ugh). Or Daniels. Double ugh.

Maybe if they weren't so crappy to creators, DC would have those writers. What contemporary writer didn't grow up dreaming of working for DC and/or Marvel? And how many saw those dreams realized only to have been run off by DC, vowing never to return again?