Yost Concludes "Battle Scars" with Agent Coulson's Help

[Umbra]

Sure. Those where probably fan rated reviews because I doubt something that was so "great" would only get six episodes.

I diagree, Thats what all the MK toons had.
The Amazon stuff had nothing to do with fans, but fans buying it. It was completely sold out at ever store in the where I lived. It also had good reviews...most considered it the best Marvel Knights animation. Only Thor's came close IMO.

[Umbra]

no. but i don't agree with your point that Steve has his job. Steve's myopically focused on the superhuman community. S.H.I.E.L.D was basically watching the world. Steve is doing a tenth of the work that Fury was. remember Secret War? or the skrull invasion? Fury had sensitive information on both. Steve basically stumbles onto secrets. he has Clint Barton doing all of that investigation work. but their intelligence is poor; all-around. Steve's no spymaster. he commands his Avengers team and that about it.

Yeah, but my point is that is going to change. It's not going to be that anymore, but more like the Movies. Old Fury could be doing this right now. But instead Steve is...hell. Old Nick could be doing this...and Secret Avengers be his team...and have it be a real black ops team.

It's hard for me to Blame Marcus. They already had their minds made up.

[NamorsTrident]

I diagree, Thats what all the MK toons had.
The Amazon stuff had nothing to do with fans, but fans buying it. It was completely sold out at ever store in the where I lived. It also had good reviews...most considered it the best Marvel Knights animation. Only Thor's came close IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_P...28TV_series%29

Six episodes. I personally watched the first three.
Being sold out on Amazon and being the best of the Marvel Knight line doesn't say much. They could have easily under ordered and the line didn't survive in animation. No offense meant but thats sorta like saying someone is the smartest in the worlds dumbest man competition. The "smartest" man is still dumb he just happens to be smartest amongst his peers.

[Umbra]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_P...28TV_series%29

Six episodes. I personally watched the first three.
Being sold out on Amazon and being the best of the Marvel Knight line doesn't say much. They could have easily under ordered and the line didn't survive in animation. No offense meant but thats sorta like saying someone is the smartest in the worlds dumbest man competition. The "smartest" man is still dumb he just happens to be smartest amongst his peers.

I'm not sure what your point is...but it wasn't under ordered. The just sold out. I never said anything about being sold out on Amazon. I said it made Top 10 and Top 100 in animated. I'm sorry dude, but it happend. Lol...and I asked at the stores in my area... It was just sold out..at ALL OF THEM. Non comic readers don't have these stupid hang ups. It only cost like 10 dollars. Smh

[NamorsTrident]

I'm not sure what your point is...but it wasn't under ordered. The just sold out. I never said anything about being sold out on Amazon. I said it made Top 10 and Top 100 in animated. I'm sorry dude, but it happend. Lol...and I asked at the stores in my area... It was just sold out..at ALL OF THEM. Non comic readers don't have these stupid hang ups. It only cost like 10 dollars. Smh

I wont keep going back and forth with you but I just did a quick google check on that and I don't see him listed on any of the list even when I type in his name along with the search.....

[Jabare]

let me spell it out for you. Marvel has created him to capitalize on the movie. the character in the movie is pretty much the character in the Ultimate Universe. ipso facto, Marcus is the character from the Ultimate Universe. except he has none of the experience of the Ultimate Fury; hence my "why is marcus better" question.

This is a rash assumption. Movie Hawkeye is very different from movie Hawkeye, yeah they changed his costume, but they are still very different. Spider-Man had electric webshooters. Movie Wolverine is over 6 feet tall. Several of the Movie X-men characters are very different from their comic versons. Marvel doesn't drastically restructure characters in order to accommodate the movies. Sure you get minor things like Blade's power up, but they didn't re-write his background or anything. Their is a flaw in that logic. Marcus in part is a way for Marvel to lessen confusion for new readers from the movie that everyone has seen. However, Nick Fury Jr. isn't the same character as Ultimate Fury this fact is blatantly obvious and marvel isn't going to make them the same. If marvel really wanted this they could have simply ported Ultimate Fury over to 616. They didn't and clearly these characters aren't the same. Movie adaptions tend to differ from the originals for varying reasons this is no different. Its a shallow comparison at best if you really get down to the nitty gritty fo the characters. Moreover, I think its a little careless to simply say the two characters are the same without really looking at both character in their entirety. They make look slightly similar but when you get down to the nitty gritty they are very different and people who read the stories are aware of this.

Come on. I don't think we'd put up an avatar otf someone we hated or were indifferent to.

why not, I know people do. I may have an avatar of someone I'm indifferent about if I thought the image looked cool. I have had avatars of cats even though I'm not really a fan, seeing as I am allergic to them. I know people who have had avatars of Hitler and what not and I'm pretty sure those individuals don't endorse men like him. End of the day an Avatar means nothing.

[Umbra]

I wont keep going back and forth with you but I just did a quick google check on that and I don't see him listed on any of the list even when I type in his name along with the search.....

Please don't then. I was for weeks when it first came out. I'm sorry that does not fit your narrative, but it happened. maybe Silver Zeal look up the links, I'm not. Peace.

[Lascoden]

Please don't then. I was for weeks when it first came out. I'm sorry that does not fit your narrative, but it happened. maybe Silver Zeal look up the links, I'm not. Peace.

I'm sorry, but if you make a claim like that, and can't or won't back it up with evidence, then I don't think you can use it as a point in an argument.

[Umbra]

I'm sorry, but if you make a claim like that, and can't or won't back it up with evidence, then I don't think you can use it as a point in an argument.

First, I can use anything I like. Lol.. With all the nonsense being posted this and only this a Point of contention. Please. If he really wants to know, he can look it up HERE on CBR, like I said.. where it was posted. I'm not. That's all. I'm sorry that it hurts you guys So much...it's really not that big deal.

But here is something...

http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/i...?topic=7875.15

Re: Marvel Knights: Black Panther - DVD Trailer " BRINGS THE HYPE!!!!"
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2011, 11:21:11 PM »
The Black Panther DVD is currently number 7 on Amazon Bestsellers in Animated Superheroes. This ranking is out of one hundred. Here is the link.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...rsr_d_1_4_last

You can ask him also. Again. I'm so sorry it does not fit the narrative you give like to use. But it DID in fact occur. I mean really? With all the bs you guy are harping over this. Lmao...smh

[NamorsTrident]

First, I can use anything I like. Lol.. With all the nonsense being posted this and only this a Point of contention. Please. If he really wants to know, he can look it up HERE on CBR, like I said.. where it was posted. I'm not. That's all. I'm sorry that it hurts you guys So much...it's really not that big deal.

But here is something...
http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/i...?topic=7875.30

You can ask him also. Again. I'm so sorry it does not fit the narrative you give like to use. But it DID in fact occur. I mean really? With all the bs you guy are harping over this. Lmao...smh

Not really harping over it. This is just the second or third time you brought this up where I have questioned you on it and I have yet to find evidence that it did in fact happen. I could careless if BP got it or not I would just like to see actual visible proof if he in fact did. However, it does irk my nerves when people try to lie to help prove their point or stroke their egos. Not saying you are doing that but lack of proof leans me to believe that you are. But whatever that isn't the focus of this thread.

[Umbra]

Not really harping over it. This is just the second or third time you brought this up where I have questioned you on it and I have yet to find evidence that it did in fact happen. I could careless if BP got it or not I would just like to see actual visible proof if he in fact did. However, it does irk my nerves when people try to lie to help prove their point or stroke their egos. Not saying you are doing that but lack of proof leans me to believe that you are. But whatever that isn't the focus of this thread.

lMAo...dude I'm not lying about anything, really it's time to take a deep breath or a break, it's not that serious. I just just gave you one link, if you want to know... Look and stop being lazy. It happened. Sorry If that offends you. You are really not worth lying to...that's your ego right there. Lol. Like I said it was Top 10. Just because you don't believe it and you are too lazy to look..doesn't mean it didn't occur. It did. Sorry.

[Lascoden]

First, I can use anything I like. Lol.. With all the nonsense being posted this and only this a Point of contention. Please. If he really wants to know, he can look it up HERE on CBR, like I said.. where it was posted. I'm not. That's all. I'm sorry that it hurts you guys So much...it's really not that big deal.

But here is something...

http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/i...?topic=7875.15





You can ask him also. Again. I'm so sorry it does not fit the narrative you give like to use. But it DID in fact occur. I mean really? With all the bs you guy are harping over this. Lmao...smh

Fine. You shouldn't do it. Is that better? If you saw a guy saying that some comic or movie was the best selling in the world, and then outright refused to back his claim with data, what would you say? There is a difference between offering opinions and theories (Batman is better then Iron-Man), and giving hard data and proofs (Batman outsold Iron-Man). If you have an argument, something you would like to say, then say it. But, you should be prepared to actually defend your own position. Don't expect to have the person you're arguing with look up the data for you. And don't get pissy and call them lazy when they don't.

[Rheged]

LMAO. you are really sad. No it doesn't make sense AT ALL. Saying it makes you look really irrational. Make sense, because YOU ARE NOT. I only stated FACTS to you, as usual, you post some nonsensical idiocy trying to prove your point, by talking about Black Panther. Try again.

1. SLJ Fury is shown across media, including 9 films...one that is 500 million dollars after a week and his own solo movie. Shuri DOES NOT SHOW UP *ANYWHERE* outside of T'challa cartoon, she is not on Avengers: EHM...and has not shown up ANYWHERE ELSE. Make sense before you post. No it's not the same. Smh

The only thing sad here, is how you feel the need the attack anyone that disagrees with you. You have not ONLY stated facts. I'll be generous and say 85% of what you've stated is your opinion. Take your own advice and make sense before you post. And actually try READING and COMPREHENDING what is posted and what you post. You keep clinging to details about movies and cartoon appearances, when those have nothing to do with the correlation I made. My example was dead on, as was my statement that NO ONE wants a character they like replaced, and you admitted as such:

So Saying Shuri doesn't make sense. But I have no problem with her playing another role that T'challa Isn't playing.

Just because you want to make a point and for it to fit a very lame agenda...doesn't mean you are right. Again, the Shuri example is totally different. Ask yourself why she isn't refered to as Queen...but Princes-Regent? Some Internet people are not irrational...some of use know how to use fact and point things out without using comparisons that make zero sense. Lol. A few of use had a logical argument, T'challa is crown-prince...by succession.

I would never try to fit a very lame agenda. I know that's entirely YOUR gig and you are welcome to it. I agree that some Internet people are rational and know how to use facts and point things out without using comparisons that make zero sense. You, however, are NOT one of them. Monty is pretty good, however, in this thread, but you can't seem to grasp what he's saying either.

Facts about fictional characters to make a "logical" argument -- really? Here's a fact. T'challa is only a crown-prince because some writer MADE THAT FICTION UP. Another writer can decide to change that 'fact' at any time they wish, because it isn't really a FACT. It's FICTION.

Oh, and the word is US, not USE. Remember, take your own advice, make sense before you post.

Hold on...again, who said that. In fact, I'm HOPING she stays Princess-Regent, and leader of the Wakandan Council, she can also keep her suit, wear the "Iron Panther" power Armor...And can use the Black Panther name, as well as take the Herb that Kasper took. stop using the Black Panther. You are digging yourself into a huge hole. It doesn't fit up your agenda...not matter how many times you say it,.or try. Make sense. She can do that, while T'challa is King and A super hero with the Avengers...she can take the role he had in jungle action.

And yeah, I brought it up, because that was Part of Marvel's reason behind Marcus. So saying Shuri is kind of stupid. Lol
T'challa has been "replaced" before..so your point is complete OFF.

Thank you for proving you are indeed a hypocrite. You're fine with Shuri sticking around, as long as she doesn't take T'challa's place as King of Wakanda. That's exactly what I asked you in my example. And a direct correlation to my statement that Marcus Fury is okay, but I don't want Nick Fury Jr. replacing Classic Fury.

[Rheged]

First, I can use anything I like. Lol.. With all the nonsense being posted this and only this a Point of contention. Please. If he really wants to know, he can look it up HERE on CBR, like I said.. where it was posted. I'm not. That's all. I'm sorry that it hurts you guys So much...it's really not that big deal.

But here is something...

http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/i...?topic=7875.15

Re: Marvel Knights: Black Panther - DVD Trailer " BRINGS THE HYPE!!!!"
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2011, 11:21:11 PM »
The Black Panther DVD is currently number 7 on Amazon Bestsellers in Animated Superheroes. This ranking is out of one hundred. Here is the link.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...rsr_d_1_4_last

ROFL! Amazon link 'proof' is a page that doesn't function. Just like most of Umbra's arguments. LOL!

[Rheged]

Fine. You shouldn't do it. Is that better? If you saw a guy saying that some comic or movie was the best selling in the world, and then outright refused to back his claim with data, what would you say? There is a difference between offering opinions and theories (Batman is better then Iron-Man), and giving hard data and proofs (Batman outsold Iron-Man). If you have an argument, something you would like to say, then say it. But, you should be prepared to actually defend your own position. Don't expect to have the person you're arguing with look up the data for you. And don't get pissy and call them lazy when they don't.

Thank you for explaining that to Umbra. He clearly has a problem differentiating between opinion and fact and fiction.