Yost Concludes "Battle Scars" with Agent Coulson's Help

[Rheged]

Stop bringing up Black Panther. Its not the same at all. Shuri isn't a part of anything, outside of 616. she doesn't have a movie, nor is she shown on shows. And she isn't the historically FIRST black superhero in comics.

Saying stuff like is really proves just how weak you guys stance is. I'm sorry, but if I was Marvel, I would totally ignore you guys.

Black Panther T'challa has a successful cartoon, he's on Avengers: EMH, and has appeared on SHS and Ironman: Armored Adventures, besides having his name on the title of a Avenger animated film. You still don't see how it's different...well his movie is being worked on also.

So Saying Shuri doesn't make sense. But I have no problem with her playing another role that T'challa Isn't playing. Same with Kasper Cole. Same with Marcus...who isn't playing the same role as Nick.

How about an example that makes sense? Marcus isn't talking a ROLE FROM NICK..OTHERS HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT.

And there you go again, forgetting this is a public board and insulting people that don't agree with you.

My example makes perfect sense. You just don't like it, because it makes you look like a hypocrite. NO ONE, wants a character they like replaced, stripped of their place in the MU, and shunted off, while their replacement gets the push.

I have no problem with Marvel introducing MARCUS JOHNSON as an everyman character just joining SHIELD with a place in the MU that Classic Nick Fury isn't occupying. But like you don't want Shuri taking T'challa's place, I don't want Fake Fury to take Classic Fury's place. It's the SAME thing. You dragging in exact cartoon appearances and movie options _details_, doesn't change the central complaint. They are replacing an already established beloved character.

[Rheged]

MAX Fury came out, did any of you guys buy it? Because If something like that doesn't sell, then Fury has no chance. Kinda like Shuri. Her 4 issue Mini didn't sell at all. So stop talking and support.

And the fact that you guys are not supporting Winter Soldier. Wow. He's in the book. It's a spy book. Why should Marvel believe anything in this thread? And thing at all...and Fraction says he has plans for him. Tom B says he is not going to be around like he has in the past...when he was in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D....that's Steve Rogers job. Yet no one is focused on him. Why should he appear around every where..SW was about him moving on also. Steve has that job.

Did Steve Rogers have his eye plucked out, get a really dark sun tan, shave his head and discover his name is really Nick Fury and start calling himself that? When he does, I'll 'focus' on him.

I did buy the Garth Ennis Fury issue, yesterday.

I don't buy Winter Soldier floppies, because I can't afford to buy EVERYTHING that comes out, especially with $4 AvX practically coming out weekly. However, I'm trade waiting for Winter Soldier. Of course, if you'd like to send me money, so I can support ALL the characters I like in floppy format, I'll send you my paypal addy.

[Ikonic]

Umbra,
Rheged, monti, kurt have no reply for the excellent points you're making. It's quite funny how they're being mentally manhandled. Kudos to you.

[Rheged]

Umbra,
Rheged, monti, kurt have no reply for the excellent points you're making. It's quite funny how they're being mentally manhandled. Kudos to you.

If Umbra made any excellent point, then I'm sure I'd remember such a singular occurrence. Mostly, he's completely missing the point.

[RolandJP]

I dont care. Let who-ever bring up whatever.

I bring up Namor whenever I buy Dolphin safe tuna. "This is dolphin safe.. i think Namor would approve"

The Check-out clerks dont know who the hell he is but it is for my own amusement.

[Rheged]

I dont care. Let who-ever bring up whatever.

I bring up Namor whenever I buy Dolphin safe tuna. "This is dolphin safe.. i think Namor would approve"

The Check-out clerks dont know who the hell he is but it is for my own amusement.

You know I immediately thought of you when Umbra told me to stop bringing up BP.

[NamorsTrident]

be honest. did the Ultimate line need to show Pym abusing Jan? did they need to make the twins incestuous? none of these things improved the stories. it's a seperate issue but, if they really wanted to make money, they'd stop with the shock grossness in these titles. they were made to bring in new customers, afterall. and they are what ultimately led to the movie-verse.

I don't understand what exactly your asking here or how it is relevant to what I posted?

[NamorsTrident]

Marvel does rate their own books. And they seem to think that the Ultimate line is as appropriate as most of their 616 books for Teens Plus. They don't give it a Parental Advisory rating, like their MAX books. Others may disagree, but I don't think showing on panel, in graphic fashion, someone getting their eye ripped out is for kids.

So, wife abuse, incest, and rape aren't on basic cable? I'm pretty sure appear fairly often on Law and Order.

Rheged, your my friend and all but you and I both know that the Ultimate line (especially when it first launched) wasn't a title for all ages. I get that your trying to prove your argument but be serious man. Trying to argue other wise is just sad.

[NamorsTrident]

Black Panther T'challa has a successful cartoon, he's on Avengers: EMH, and has appeared on SHS and Ironman: Armored Adventures, besides having his name on the title of a Avenger animated film. You still don't see how it's different...well his movie is being worked on also.

I think T'Challa is interesting and all. Not sure if I would call myself a fan yet, and not to derail this thread....but in what universe did T'Challa have a successful cartoon? The only cartoon that I know of barley lasted one season. And where did you get information that he has a movie in the works? I would like to see a source.

[Monty_Cristo]

Umbra,
Rheged, monti, kurt have no reply for the excellent points you're making. It's quite funny how they're being mentally manhandled. Kudos to you.

it'd mean so much more if you didn't have that bias in your avatar.

[Jabare]

it'd mean so much more if you didn't have that bias in your avatar.

we've had this conversation before, Avatars are just Avatars nothing more, especially on a comic website

[KurtW95]

we've had this conversation before, Avatars are just Avatars nothing more, especially on a comic website

Come on. I don't think we'd put up an avatar otf someone we hated or were indifferent to.

[Monty_Cristo]

I don't understand what exactly your asking here or how it is relevant to what I posted?

then why didn't you just focus on the rest of my reply? my point was that they could have accomplished their goals by making the Ultimate Universe more accessible to new readers. if you look at the traffic on the Ultimate boards, it's mainly people with low post counts. that makes me think that they might be new readers. maybe they sought out the Ultimate books because there was less continuity to wade through. that's exactly the kind of people that an Avengers movie is going to get into the shops. so why not make the Ultimate Universe more story driven and less "ooo i'm doing something nasty to impress you?" that way they won't have to do something hokey like take some might-as-well-be-random black character and staple on Samuel L Jackson's face. if they just had some random ranger named Marcus Johnson become a SHIELD agent, we wouldn't be having this conversation. i have no problem with Marcus; as he was (prior to the "facelift"). i might have wondered why they put so much effort into his mini series, though. anyways, my problem is that they've portrayed him as nothing more than a marketing ploy. he's g-damn poochie. why did they even need the mini when the focus is on his look?

[Monty_Cristo]

your referring to Nick Fury Jr and Ultimate Nick Fury?

They have the same skin color, they are both missing an eye and share a similar name. After that the seem to similarities end to me.


Marcus is an Army Ranger. Very loyal to his friends. A phenomenal soldier and combatant, he seems to be perceptive and a quick study. Other than that I'm really just intrigued to learn more about him. I feel he has been nicely established. I'm interested to learn more about him, how much the Infinity formula in his blood augments his physical abilities. What his friendship with cheese is like. And the Daily life of a Shield Agent. We know what being the Director of Shield and the second command entails, but rarely do we see things from the perspective of a mid or low ranking Shield Agent, which Fury Jr. and Coulson seem to be.



As for Ultimate NickFury, the mans a Genius level strategist, who has to deal with unimaginable crises almost daily. He is the ultimate coordinator. General Furyis over 80 years of age he is very wise and incredibly accomplished. And in the Ultimate Universe his leadership is second to none.



I could go on, but aside from aesthetics and their names the two characters don't have much in common. Aside from both working for the highest super secret government organization, although Fury runs it, and Marcus is just your average agent.


What do you mean what is better?

let me spell it out for you. Marvel has created him to capitalize on the movie. the character in the movie is pretty much the character in the Ultimate Universe. ipso facto, Marcus is the character from the Ultimate Universe. except he has none of the experience of the Ultimate Fury; hence my "why is marcus better" question.

[Rheged]

Rheged, your my friend and all but you and I both know that the Ultimate line (especially when it first launched) wasn't a title for all ages. I get that your trying to prove your argument but be serious man. Trying to argue other wise is just sad.

Really? When it first launched, I remember it being much less 'gritty' and 'shocking' than it later became. Of course, I mostly read Ultimate FF. I'm only arguing, that it isn't that much worse than 616 as far as 'adult' content. And definitely not any worse than old DC, with all it's dismemberment fetish. Marvel had an All Ages line, but it isn't 616. But if we don't agree, it's cool, as 'adult content' is clearly subjective.

I think T'Challa is interesting and all. Not sure if I would call myself a fan yet, and not to derail this thread....but in what universe did T'Challa have a successful cartoon? The only cartoon that I know of barley lasted one season. And where did you get information that he has a movie in the works? I would like to see a source.

He's exaggerating. Lots of superheroes have movies in the works. That doesn't mean they are actually in production, script done, cast and crew chosen, and ready to film. Namor's had a movie "in the works" for almost a decade, with multiple directors attached, but I certainly don't expect a movie forthcoming.