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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Bravery View Post
    And i'm not being funny, but TDK is just as corny as any other superhero movie. It's just corny in a different way.

    Take Harvey Dent's speech at the dinner table for example. It's just so serious and overwraught it goes straight over serious into corny melodrama. I mean seriously, if i was at a dinner table and someone started pontificating like that? I'd pour a jug of water over their head and tell them to pull their head out of their ass.

    That scene just typifies my main problem with Nolan's Bat movies for me. They play it too straight for their own good. The drama becomes corny melodrama, for me. I can understand why people like that take, i totally can. But don't try and tell me they are more credible or less corny than other superhero movies.
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    lol i didn't try to change peoples minds on anything, just sharing my opinion. But yea, that is my beef with Nolan's Bat movies and the fans who think they are more "credible".

    They are still good films. Brilliantly acted and good stories. But yea, they ain't the be all end all of the comic book movie. No where near it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murrocko View Post
    Underwhelmed. Idk, still interested in seeing the movie but nothing's gotten me excited about this movie so far like BB or TDK did in the past.
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    I feel lonely being the only one who doesn't care for this movie.
    So I'm not alone, phew.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Bravery View Post
    lol i didn't try to change peoples minds on anything, just sharing my opinion. But yea, that is my beef with Nolan's Bat movies and the fans who think they are more "credible".

    They are still good films. Brilliantly acted and good stories. But yea, they ain't the be all end all of the comic book movie. No where near it.
    I have the exact same opinion, I just couldn't ever figure out how to word it and then you come along. Thank you, sir.

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    No problem :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodOps View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daesim View Post
    There's no such thing as a sure bet.
    There is when it comes to Nolan. Didn't you hear? He's the greatest director to ever live. His films are flawless masterpieces and TDK should have won the Oscar for best picture.

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    The first two trailers were good but pretty stock standard stuff. But this thing was brilliant and mesmerising.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Bravery View Post
    But yea, that is my beef with Nolan's Bat movies and the fans who think they are more "credible".

    They are still good films. Brilliantly acted and good stories. But yea, they ain't the be all end all of the comic book movie. No where near it.
    Nolan's film's are amazing, although I agree it's certainly not one of the best films of all time like IMDb would have you believe. Regardless, Nolan and co are still so far ahead of the competition. I think their films are easily the best superhero films out there. The Avengers was great fun but it didn't really do anything new or that dramatic even. Take away all the geeky thrills (and there were many, I mean, don't get me started on how great the Hulk was), The Avengers was played it surprisingly safe and by the numbers. I expect great things from The Dark Knight Rises. And I don't think I'll be disappointed.
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    Avengers did have a straight forward plot. But i don't see how it was safe. Avengers is very ambitious. Putting all those characters into one film could have been a disaster of Michael Bay proportions. But somehow Whedon got it spot on. And Avengers does have layers, but it doesn't insist upon them and make a big deal out of them. I mean, Loki's speech in Germany. You could just take that as a typical bad guy rant. But really, the line "You crave subjugation" poses some questions about humanity. And the Tesseract wasn't just a plot McGuffin, it was a metaphor for the global energy crisis.

    But like i said, the film doesn't make a big deal out of those elements. It let's the audience think about it, instead of doing what Nolan does and ram it down our throats with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Again, how many times was "fear" used in Begins? It was totally obnoxious. I was like "Look, I get it, fear is the theme of your movie."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Bravery View Post
    Avengers did have a straight forward plot. But i don't see how it was safe. Avengers is very ambitious. Putting all those characters into one film could have been a disaster of Michael Bay proportions. But somehow Whedon got it spot on. And Avengers does have layers, but it doesn't insist upon them and make a big deal out of them. I mean, Loki's speech in Germany. You could just take that as a typical bad guy rant. But really, the line "You crave subjugation" poses some questions about humanity. And the Tesseract wasn't just a plot McGuffin, it was a metaphor for the global energy crisis.

    But like i said, the film doesn't make a big deal out of those elements. It let's the audience think about it, instead of doing what Nolan does and ram it down our throats with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Again, how many times was "fear" used in Begins? It was totally obnoxious. I was like "Look, I get it, fear is the theme of your movie."
    Don't get me wrong, making The Avengers was a very very ambitious project and Kevin Feige deserves so much credit for overseeing the Marvel cinematic universe. But good writing here and there weren't able to hide a pretty basic and by the numbers plot. I thought the thrills in that movie came more from seeing all the characters together rather than actual excitement generated by Whedon's direction or the script.

    Nolan may lack subtlety in some of his writing, but what he gets right in terms of plot, character, direction, music (which is admittedly credit should go wholly to Hans Zimmer) and innovation (IMAX>3D anyday) more than make up for it. And it's not like Nolan's writing is bad. The interrogation room scene with the Joker was pitch perfect.
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    What I learned today: Nolan is the movie equivalent to Snyder.

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    I can't wait to see John Blake Rises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tandaemonium View Post
    I can't wait to see John Blake Rises.
    That SERIOUSLY sounds like a porn title.

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    Was pretty much sold as soon as I saw the scene where Bane just nonchalantly threw away Bruce's broken cowl everything else was just a bonus, that was enough to bring out the inner fanboy in me and for me to lose my shit! Looks awesome the more I see of Bane the more I like and of all the trailers released so far this really has the most feeling of finality too it.
    On the downside an awesome trailer like this makes the wait for July seem even longer now.

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    My problem with Nolan's take on Batman is that he sometimes tries too hard to make it about Batman in the real world. I have no problem with him trying to make it realistic, but there are some aspects of Batman that you can't quite get right if you don't embrace the fact that he is a man living in a superhero world. I think he gets the concept about Batman and his interaction with the people of Gotham, the true nature of being a hero, a legend for a city so corrupted, but as far as the whole character's psychology... I don't know if I'm making myself clear here (I'm from Spain, and sometimes I struggle with the language when I try to explain something), but I believe that this isn't a comic book movie. This is a Batman movie, without most of the comic book aspects (not talking about character interactions, because the Joker/Batman was spot-on).

    That's why I believe The Avengers is the best superhero movie ever made. It's a real comic book movie.

    This isn't. I'm okay with it, but stop making me believe this is a better comic book movie than The Avengers. They are different movies, and I can't really say I'm pumped up for this movie yet. I don't like Hardy's Bane (and I love Bane), and I'm not sure about Hathaway's Catwoman. Gary Oldman and Michael Caine remain awesome, and I'm excited about JGL, but until I watch it I can't say I'm excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiestaoffire View Post
    What I learned today: Nolan is the movie equivalent to Snyder.
    I wouldn't put it that way. Christopher Nolan is an actual wunderkind of the Spielberg variety. He's younger, more talented, and more successful than Snyder. Who wouldn't envy the man who gets to die knowing he made memento, Insomnia, Dark Knight, and Inception?

    Snyder isn't untalented, but he'll always be known as the director who only found success by using other people's ideas. When he went at it alone with sucker punch, it was a disaster.
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