WWE RAW III: Here Comes the Pain

[Alex]

That one, at least, I can't blame the 'E for. A bunch of them had contracts with Time Warner that either Vince couldn't buy out or they didn't want to; the laziness top WCW performers had was well-documented and they were getting paid for sitting on the couch and drinking beer, as opposed to going to the WWE and actually having to do stuff. He did eventually sign many of them, one at a time, but I don't think he could have brought them all in for the Invasion (no matter how awesome that could have been).

He could have actually, in the buyout he got the option of buying out anyone's contract in the company.
And the amount of revenue he could have made doing a single ppv with Goldberg vs Steve Austin would have paid back every single contract in one ppv. That's ignoring revenue from tshirts and such.
Because they did a huge number for the Invasion ppv, which was a main event of WWE guys vs like 2 wcw guys and some WWE guys.

[Legato]

He could have actually, in the buyout he got the option of buying out anyone's contract in the company.
And the amount of revenue he could have made doing a single ppv with Goldberg vs Steve Austin would have paid back every single contract in one ppv. That's ignoring revenue from tshirts and such.
Because they did a huge number for the Invasion ppv, which was a main event of WWE guys vs like 2 wcw guys and some WWE guys.

And lets not forget the money he could have gained if he had still thrown ECW into the mix. Ok granted the ECW guys would have been curbstomped by the combination of WWE guys and WCW guys, had Vince actually got the top stars, but it would have still ended up being the closest thing wrestling fans would have gotten to a dream confrontation that didn't involve fantasy booking

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I didn't feel sorry for Show, IMO I thought Show looked pathetic. Crying because somebody forced him to get on his knees and beg. Please

me either, making fun of big johnny's voice is fukt up. you don't make fun of people because of their injuries.

So... that 20 minute overrun was done for that. Not the WWE title match. That.

That.

And I wonder, who will they blame for Over The Limit's horrible buyrate. "Oh, the champ isn't a draw!" Never gave him a damn story line to make the match seem big.

By the way, for as stale as people think Punk's reign is, do you want the title to go back to... that?

That?

I don't think so. I hope John gets better, mentally and emotionally, from his divorce. I say that, because it's not like Raw's bookers give a damn without him in the title hunt.

i do. if only to make the title seem important again.

To be fair, thats Vince's doing while HHH wants to build new stars. His new pet project of the New NXT is to do just that.

i don't buy the idea that HHH can't say "no, i don't think i should be the guy to feud with brock at this point, it would benefit so and so much more".

RAW was just fukn terrible, not even namedropping Mr Backlund could make up for it. everything was bad, from big shows sobbing for 20minutes to AJ showing the best acting chops since mariah carey did glitter, to cena getting possessed by mr butthole. sorry cena, i like you but you deserved that slap.

big johhny right now is the most likable guy on the damn show.

[Alex]

RAW was just fukn terrible, not even namedropping Mr Backlund could make up for it. everything was bad, from big shows sobbing for 20minutes to AJ showing the best acting chops since mariah carey did glitter, to cena getting possessed by mr butthole. sorry cena, i like you but you deserved that slap.

big johhny right now is the most likable guy on the damn show.

You know what the shit of it was though?
The internet has raged about how bad Raw was, but that live crowd ate the shit up. The rating was bad, btw, 2.9, lowest in months, which is good, but that crowd was into the show segment, and they loved Cena even though Cena was at his most annoying.

[Legato]

You know what the shit of it was though?
The internet has raged about how bad Raw was, but that live crowd ate the shit up. The rating was bad, btw, 2.9, lowest in months, which is good, but that crowd was into the show segment, and they loved Cena even though Cena was at his most annoying.

Just goes to show even the WWE crowd has their moments of idiocy, unless if they're a smark crowd. I do wonder what contributed the low rating, the constant focus of Ace and lack of focus on other wrestlers maybe? The Cena segment actually made Ace the face of the whole thing given how much of a douche Cena was acting like, which is ironic given that I once comment that the smile Ace gave to Show after he fired him was enough to make me want to punch him.

Me and Lbo disagree on a few things but I have to agree that Ace is perhaps the most tolerable one on Raw. Yes Ace is a douche but at least he's not hypocritical about it like Cena.

[Alex]

Just goes to show even the WWE crowd has their moments of idiocy, unless if they're a smark crowd. I do wonder what contributed the low rating, the constant focus of Ace and lack of focus on other wrestlers maybe? The Cena segment actually made Ace the face of the whole thing given how much of a douche Cena was acting like, which is ironic given that I once comment that the smile Ace gave to Show after he fired him was enough to make me want to punch him

It was probably tv competition and lack of lesnar.
Raw being bad doesn't always relate to rating.

[Alex]

Me and Lbo disagree on a few things but I have to agree that Ace is perhaps the most tolerable one on Raw. Yes Ace is a douche but at least he's not hypocritical about it like Cena.

He played his role correctly.
He was good with show, he was good with Cena.
I still find it beyond stupid that the main event of the ppv is him vs Cena and not either title match.

[Legato]

He played his role correctly.
He was good with show, he was good with Cena.
I still find it beyond stupid that the main event of the ppv is him vs Cena and not either title match.

Hence why I commented how at least TNA managed to get their priorities in order when it came to their main title.

[Alex]

Hence why I commented how at least TNA managed to get their priorities in order when it came to their main title.

TNA doesn't really have a big star who has been the focus of the company for 8 years and can be put above the title though.

[BeastieRunner]

The internet has raged about how bad Raw was, but that live crowd ate the shit up.

Just goes to show even the WWE crowd has their moments of idiocy, unless if they're a smark crowd.

All the show reports I read said the crowd was hot but got pissed with long transitions, being confused, and not being able to actual get into the show (read as being rowdy and cheer). The summary being the WWE is really disconnected to their fanbase right now. Almost all show reports I found did say, smarks included, that for whatever reason all the Cena haters were eating out of the palm of his hand during the promo.

I find all that interesting.

[Alex]

All the show reports I read said the crowd was hot but got pissed with long transitions, being confused, and not being able to actual get into the show (read as being rowdy and cheer). The summary being the WWE is really disconnected to their fanbase right now. Almost all show reports I found did say, smarks included, that for whatever reason all the Cena haters were eating out of the palm of his hand during the promo.

I find all that interesting.

Especially since that promo is a perfect example of everything people who don't like Cena don't like about Cena.
Horrible jokes and no selling everything that happens to him.

Theres also the side problem that they have now built a match where the face has a huge advantage over the heel.

[Fabian]

I rarely agree with lbo (Alex is practically my mouthpiece and he posts what I would have posted if I typed like a school grader) but this was terrible.

Usually Monday is my relaxing night because I have the 2 hardest shifts Sunday and Monday and since Tuesday I have off I can let loose. I watch Raw while enjoying some drinks and while the drinking helps, this week was bad. I ended up watching it in pieces because I couldn't sit through the entirety of it in one (or 2, or 3) piece.

It's like they don't know where the hell the angles are coming. Besides the main championship belt feuds, everything else is a clusterfuck.

Reading the reports from the low level writer who posts anonymously on /wooo/, he says that they feel like now is not the time to shine with a good storyline because if you're good, Vince will put you in the WWE Network team to come up with (successful) shows and if you don't, you're fired.

You know what the shit of it was though?
The internet has raged about how bad Raw was, but that live crowd ate the shit up. The rating was bad, btw, 2.9, lowest in months, which is good, but that crowd was into the show segment, and they loved Cena even though Cena was at his most annoying.

I felt that the crowd just popped for their sports teams being named. I was really hoping they would mention the Pirates as a horrible team.

[Legato]

Especially since that promo is a perfect example of everything people who don't like Cena don't like about Cena.
Horrible jokes and no selling everything that happens to him.

Theres also the side problem that they have now built a match where the face has a huge advantage over the heel.

That segment should be shown to wrestling writers as an example of what not to do when building a storyline, or providing comedy to it. Also NEVER make a heel GM booked as the underdog or sympathetic when compared to the face he's feuding. Heel GM's don't work that way. They are supposed to make the fans root for the face by making the face wrestler's life a living hell and make said face the underdog in that whole thing. Look at Austin vs McMahon, that is an example of how it's supposed to work.

[Alex]

I rarely agree with lbo (Alex is practically my mouthpiece and he posts what I would have posted if I typed like a school grader) but this was terrible.

Usually Monday is my relaxing night because I have the 2 hardest shifts Sunday and Monday and since Tuesday I have off I can let loose. I watch Raw while enjoying some drinks and while the drinking helps, this week was bad. I ended up watching it in pieces because I couldn't sit through the entirety of it in one (or 2, or 3) piece.

It's like they don't know where the hell the angles are coming. Besides the main championship belt feuds, everything else is a clusterfuck.

Reading the reports from the low level writer who posts anonymously on /wooo/, he says that they feel like now is not the time to shine with a good storyline because if you're good, Vince will put you in the WWE Network team to come up with (successful) shows and if you don't, you're fired.


I felt that the crowd just popped for their sports teams being named. I was really hoping they would mention the Pirates as a horrible team.

Go Puck yourself!
So lame.

[Fabian]

Yeah Johnny Ace is the underdog by a wide margin. He got shit on by HHH, punked by Lesnar, and now the board of directors stacked more odds against him. He did heel it up this past Raw but it wasn't enough. He ended up just picking on Show who has no feud at all anymore meanwhile Punk and Cena get a pass.

Go Puck yourself!
So lame.

Yeah but I bet some people thought it wasn't PG. Reminds me of a manager at me old work who despised anything that she deemed a cuss word so we made stuff up to piss her off. Yes "Go puck yourself" was one but the best was "flock off." I should send Cena my lines!