Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

[USArmyParatrooper]

Outstanding. Name a single lie I have told and back it up with the link. Thanks.

Jeff? i'm growing a beard here.

[Winslow]

Jeff? i'm growing a beard here.

Provide factual evidence you can grow a beard.

I seriously have my doubts.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Provide factual evidence you can grow a beard.

I seriously have my doubts.

A deflection in the form of a joke, but a deflection nonetheless. I'm sure it worked. I'm sure nobody is going to notice that neither Jeff nor you can provide an example of a lie I've told.

[Monty_Cristo]

First time I heard about this story, it was someone going "ahahaha isn't that funny" - it's someone assaulting their ex when they were helpless, so I dunno, is it? Would it be funny is the bloke was the dentist and a woman was getting her teeth taken out?

that happened in a 90s-era horror movie titled 'The Dentist.' Corbin Bernsen was the dentist.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...TheDentist.jpg

[Charles RB]

You made it a point to state that you personally know a few rape victims, and then you added that you doubt any rape victims I may know have mentioned it to me because XYZ.

Yes. You think XYZ is any different for most people, or that Jeff thinks it's different for most people?

[USArmyParatrooper]

96 but I still drink in the NCO club and nothing much has changed outside the eyewash and paperwork

So your perception is based on the experience of a man who got out 16 years ago, and mine is based on someone who is still in.

Let me tell you how it works today. Every unit at every level is required to have a SHARP representative.

http://www.sexualassault.army.mil/

and a victim's advocate. If you click the above link it goes into quite a bit of detail as to what is supposed to happen if an accusation is made. Also, failing to follow proper procedure to a T is one of the fastest ways for a Commander to be relieved of his command. Complaints can be made to the SHARP rep, through the chain of command, through the chaplain, through the Inspector General, through the Military Police and those are all just off the top of my head. Every single one of those outlets are *required* to follow very strict standing operating procedure.

Do the right thing and those in charge are covered. Fail to do so and your ass is grass. THAT is how it works today.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Yes. You think XYZ is any different for most people, or that Jeff thinks it's different for most people?

He deliberately drew a contrast between me and himself. He pointed out that HE knows (not just one) but "a few" rape victims. He then stated that I probably do too, but that they won't tell me because they think I won't believe them or that I will make fun of them.

[Winslow]

A deflection in the form of a joke, but a deflection nonetheless. I'm sure it worked. I'm sure nobody is going to notice that neither Jeff nor you can provide an example of a lie I've told.

I've never accused you of lying.

I'm tempted to accuse you of some other things, but I really do have better things to do with my time then banter with you.

I will give you some advice: Not every discussion on the forum is a debate. And not every response is about you. You might want to keep that in mind.

[USArmyParatrooper]

I've never accused you of lying.

I'm tempted to accuse you of some other things, but I really do have better things to do with my time then banter with you.

I will give you some advice: Not every discussion on the forum is a debate. And not every response is about you. You might want to keep that in mind.

Agreed, but in my utmost humble opinion when someone calls me a liar that is about me. When I called Jeff to task to back that accusation, you injected yourself in the middle of it with an insult of your own. So from that I surmised that you agreed with his sentiment.

[Charles RB]

He then stated that I probably do too, but that they won't tell me because they think I won't believe them or that I will make fun of them.

And that's probably true, yes. It would've true for Jeff as well. It may still be true for Jeff.

[Cavemold]

Yes, all of them. I know a few victims to speak from experience. Chances are, you know some victims, too, but they won't ever tell you because they're afraid you won't believe them. Or that you'll make jokes about it, or otherwise demeaning their trauma.

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Wtf?? Why would he make joke about it???

[ChadH]

I think the snake just ate its own tail.

[USArmyParatrooper]

And that's probably true, yes. It would've true for Jeff as well. It may still be true for Jeff.

According to Jeff, it's not. AGAIN, he drew the contrast between himself and me. HE knows "a few" rape victims, and that I "probably do too" but they won't tell me for fear I won't believe them and I'll make fun of them.

For the record, I know of two people who are VERY close to me who were raped. So that was quite presumptuous of him.

[Cavemold]

According to Jeff, it's not. AGAIN, he drew the contrast between himself and me. HE knows "a few" rape victims, and that I "probably do too" but they won't tell me for fear I won't believe them and I'll make fun of them.

For the record, I know of two people who are VERY close to me who were raped. So that was quite presumptuous of him.

He must be in your head then....

[Charles RB]

According to Jeff, it's not. AGAIN, he drew the contrast between himself and me.

Jeff doesn't like you and has never hidden that.If he wanted to say you're such a cunt no rape victim would dare admit it to you, he would have said "you're such a cunt no rape victim would dare admit it to you". But he didn't. He said why rape victims often don't tell people.